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Old 06-20-2006, 07:37 PM   #1
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The ring could have been destroyed a lot easier.

Why didn't and elf just take the ring across to Valinor.Surely the mighty Valar could of destroyed it and all those people would not have to suffer.
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Old 06-20-2006, 11:59 PM   #2
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According to Elrond, it would not be received there:

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And they who dwell beyond the Sea would not receive it: for good or ill it belongs to Middle-earth; it is for us who still dwell here to deal with it
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Old 06-23-2006, 02:38 AM   #3
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they could have called the eagles, to bring them to the mount doom!
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Old 06-23-2006, 03:20 AM   #4
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they could have called the eagles, to bring them to the mount doom!
I'm amazed nobody else has thought of that.
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Old 06-23-2006, 09:49 AM   #5
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I'm amazed nobody else has thought of that.
davem I'll miss your witty repartee. :P Though I do have to admit it would have made a much better story, I mean we wouldn't have to read all those pages and pages boring junk.

Atalante, check out this, it's got all the answers to the eagles...
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Old 06-23-2006, 02:11 PM   #6
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No, they couldn't have given it to the Eagles. Many reasons.

1) There would be no story

2) The Nazgul and the Eye of Sauron would easily see a gigantic bird flying towards Mount Doom.

3) How do you expect them to carry it? Their huge talon? It would easily slip out into hiding yet again!

4) Gwaihir himself told Gandalf that he could only bear him a short distance from Isengard. The Eagle's business is not with the people of Middle-earth.

Also, Tolkien writes on why the Eagles would not have taken the Ring into Mordor. It might be in that link the last poster gave, I'm not sure.
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Old 06-24-2006, 02:09 AM   #7
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Why didn't an elf just take the ring across to Valinor. Surely the mighty Valar could of destroyed it and all those people would not have to suffer.
Please keep the answering posts on topic to the original question of this thread. There have been more than enough discussions of "What if the Eagles...", and they're still open for posting. Boromir already mentioned one of them; this post has links to the others. Thank you!
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Old 06-24-2006, 07:04 AM   #8
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The Valar, eh? Two scenarios.

A scandalous effort by them to wilfully ignore the problem. "Oh! It's Middle-earth's trouble, not ours!" Cowards. Self-absorbed scoundrels. Do they really care about good and evil?

Or perhaps, just maybe, Elrond didn't know what he was talking about. Perhaps Manwë was sitting up there on the Mountain, shouting "No, you fools! Don't let the hobbit take it! Send it over here and we'll deal with it!"
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Old 06-24-2006, 08:33 AM   #9
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The Valar, eh? Two scenarios.

A scandalous effort by them to wilfully ignore the problem. "Oh! It's Middle-earth's trouble, not ours!" Cowards. Self-absorbed scoundrels. Do they really care about good and evil?

Or perhaps, just maybe, Elrond didn't know what he was talking about. Perhaps Manwë was sitting up there on the Mountain, shouting "No, you fools! Don't let the hobbit take it! Send it over here and we'll deal with it!"
It would be just like the elves to take that approach. And it would lend itself to an attack from a murder of crows--everyone knows how crows love shiney things--so that someone else would have to go after the murder before it could fly the Ring back to Fangorn or Dunland . I can see the potential for Radagast to get involved in this story line. If anyone could turn those crebain to the good side, wouldn't it be Radagast?
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Old 06-24-2006, 02:58 PM   #10
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Beth, if you are suggesting that the Valar's gambit in the War of the (shiny) Ring was to rouse the magpies, I have to question whether their hearts were really in it.
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Old 06-24-2006, 03:06 PM   #11
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The Valar, eh? Two scenarios.

A scandalous effort by them to wilfully ignore the problem. "Oh! It's Middle-earth's trouble, not ours!" Cowards. Self-absorbed scoundrels. Do they really care about good and evil?

Or perhaps, just maybe, Elrond didn't know what he was talking about. Perhaps Manwë was sitting up there on the Mountain, shouting "No, you fools! Don't let the hobbit take it! Send it over here and we'll deal with it!"
But again, if this happened instead, there would be no story. The main thing you have to watch for when you come up with theories such as this is the story. Will your theory continue to have a story (having a plot, main and minor charcters, climax, all that fun stuff).
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