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But what about these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors not long back."

Painfully we walk through Fangorn, along with Merry and Pippin on their perches on Treebeard, and I can only think of skipping to the next scene. Surely the hobbits are tired and bored not only by their recent ordeal but also by their transportation’s speech. Did we have to be bored to see that the hobbits were bored? And just why did Gandalf let Merry and Pippin in the keeping of Treebeard? In the books I think that the White Wizard is aware of this, but I don’t think that he and Treebeard sat down and discussed what to do with the hobbits.

The change not only adds logic dilemmas; I just don’t like it.

Plus, the eldest of Ents is not CG - a big puppet - but he’s not very lifelike or likeable, and so that also colors my opinion.

Treebeard places the overtired hobbits on the ground to sleep like little dolls while he quotes Tom Bombadil. Is PJ bribing us with hints of Bombadil so that we more readily accept his coming changes? Anyway, while the twain sleep, Treebeard goes off to call the other Ents together. What’s the rush, big guy, as you all don’t have it in you to act, and seemingly you really don’t care much about the Shadow on your forest. Even if the rest of the cordwood won’t join you, surely you’d do something, even if alone, if faced with the withering of all woods, especially those that you shepherd.

I guess that I’m upset that PJ’s Treebeard is all bark.

It’s night camp somewhere in Rohan. Gandalf, ever vigilant, stands watch on Mount Doom from afar, and we learn a bit about the Eye that is Sauron. We learn that Sauron not only fears that someone will claim his Ring, but also, now that Aragorn was left his booth in Bree, the Heir of Isildur and what he may become.

“Must keep him from claiming the Ring and especially from swimming in the Gladden River! I’ve waited long enough.”

Suddenly, Gandalf becomes one of those legal voices at the end of commercials and so rattles off the next part of their journey in a matter of seconds. We’ll need the extra time for more clowning with Gimli, and so Ian must hurry his lines.

And what Gandalf mean when he says, “it’s an old device of Saruman’s.” at time 01:01:33?

Gandalf continues on, stating that all of this is window dressing, that the real war against the enemy is on the hands of one small hobbit. The wizard is pleased to learn that Sam is along with Frodo. Gandalf, here at least, is filling Aragorn in on the state of Middle Earth and reassuring him that his decision at Parth Galen was the right one. We’ll see this dynamic switch later, though.

Isn’t about time that we checked in on the Ringbearer?

[Essex]

Jackson can't win here can he? he plays the character like he is in the books, and he's boring (let's be fair book treebeard is a little boring isn't he?) - if he played him as an 'action jackson' then there would be lots of gnashing of teeth from us devout book followers.

so as he's like he is in the book, we can't really complain, boring though this extra scene MAY be. We moan (quite rightly) at added scenes in rotk (drinking scene for example) that has nothing to do with tolkien and is an affront to us book reader's sensibilities(!!!!), but at least here we have some build up on a character and not some comic relief......

more later, on gandalf & co once I've looked at the scenes on dvd tonight.

PS - Faramir's getting close enough to touch! LOL!

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Originally Posted by Essex

Jackson can't win here can he?

I think we both know the answer to that question .

he plays the character like he is in the books, and he's boring (let's be fair book treebeard is a little boring isn't he?) - if he played him as an 'action jackson' then there would be lots of gnashing of teeth from us devout book followers.

I quote one of my ninja writing teachers who said, "one does not have to be boring to show that one's characters are bored." It was either that or, "Mr. alatar, do you think it possible for you write one composition that does not have a link to Middle Earth, hmm?"

Though I agree that Treebeard was not the most exciting character, and that you have more time in the books to take a liking to the character, I'd have to say that PJ missed it with the Ent. Maybe others feel similarly. I just couldn't connect and so care about this character.

[Sir Kohran]

Though I agree that Treebeard was not the most exciting character, and that you have more time in the books to take a liking to the character, I'd have to say that PJ missed it with the Ent. Maybe others feel similarly. I just couldn't connect and so care about this character.

Well, it's not easy to connect with a walking tree, even in a lengthy novel, and even harder in a three/four hour film where there are two other major stories going on at the same time. Treebeard only really appears in The Two Towers, and has a small cameo in ROTK. I just can't see Peter doing much more with Treebeard without damaging the movie's story in the process.

Is PJ bribing us with hints of Bombadil so that we more readily accept his coming changes?

Well, I thought that having Bombadil's words inserted was one of the best bits of the Extended Edition. Another 'gem'. However, I suppose other people do think differently.

Painfully we walk through Fangorn, along with Merry and Pippin on their perches on Treebeard, and I can only think of skipping to the next scene. Did we have to be bored to see that the hobbits were bored?

Seems odd that many Tolkien fans say the movies focus too much on action, fighting and violence, and then when we get quiet, dialogue-based scenes to develop the plot, they complain.

Essex got it spot on here:

Jackson can't win here can he?

The wizard is pleased to learn that Sam is along with Frodo. Gandalf, here at least, is filling Aragorn in on the state of Middle Earth and reassuring him that his decision at Parth Galen was the right one.

I liked this scene a lot - almost straight from the books.

We’ll see this dynamic switch later, though.

Yes...the change in Gandalf was Peter Jackson's worst alteration to my mind.

I guess that I’m upset that PJ’s Treebeard is all bark.

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Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

Seems odd that many Tolkien fans say the movies focus too much on action, fighting and violence, and then when we get quiet, dialogue-based scenes to develop the plot, they complain.

Dialogue? An Ent singing of entwives in a halting voice?

I'm not saying that it's not me, but if we 'lost' the whole Ent part of TTT, I'd be none the sadder.

[Lathriel]

I like this scene cause I can sit back and relax for a little while. This sequence gives me time to recharge for the next action scene. Besides I like Treebeard in both the book and the novels.

The problem is that you guys have a short attention span. Mine got trained cause my dad always wants to watch foreign movies which are as a rule slow.

[doug*platypus]

"My...eh....home..lies....deeeeeeeeep....in... .the forest, ja?"

Lol, Éomer, that makes me think of Stevie from Malcolm in the Middle rather than the Treebeard I know from the book, who was not boring in the least. I daresay that Merry and Pippin didn't find the old Ent boring in the book, either. They seem in fact to be quite fond of him, and wouldn't dream of yawning as he spoke to them. I find PJs change (change, mind, I disagree with Essex that the adaptation was faithful to the original) to boring Treebeard is a little unfortunate, as it makes him less likeable as a character. He appeared both more jolly and wise in the book, something like a toned down Tom Bombadil. I suppose we should be thankful that he didn't end up cut, as it does further complicate the movie by adding a third thread (well, four, since we are also following the story of Rohan).

The night scene with Gandalf and Aragorn is cool. Nice to see some of the camaraderie between these two old friends.

And just why did Gandalf let Merry and Pippin in the keeping of Treebeard?

There is no real answer for this, as often happens when PJ diverges from the source. It may have been better to leave out the matter of Treebeard taking the hobbits to the White Wizard. Just PJ trying to keep us guessing at whether the friends are safe or not. I see no real reason to do so, however.