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02-28-2006, 12:37 PM | #1 |
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Alternate "Hiding the Ring" strategies
Let's say Gandalf, Elrond, et. al. decide that it may
be "wise" to hide or protect the Ring for a while (hey, at least elves and maia might escape Middle-earth ). For one, how about putting it on an island? While it's speculative, how absolute is the dislike/fear for water bodies by Sauron and his chums and was it a defining barrier? For example, there are at least three islands west/northwest of East Beleriand http://www.tuckborough.net/coastal.html#Tol_Fuin http://vaugnfreech.tripod.com/evandil/id6.html The only effective ways for Sauron to get it, if he found out where it was, would seem to be flying nazgul (probably dizzy over Ulmo's ocean) or the corsairs- but they'd be questionable since even if they succeeded their leaders would probably then want the Ring. And the very fact of the Ring's existence in a place inaccesible directly for Sauron, could cause envy, desire, unrest among even his forces. And if sauron heard of it on an island beyond, say, east Beleriand he might be tempted (being a rather hasty maia) to push right through bypassing much of Rohan, Gondor, Lorien, and Rhovannion---leaving himself open to harassing and sapping attacks. Of course, there could be a certain hobbit attrition.
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If The (un)Wise had tried to hide The One Ring instead of destroying it, then the said island would have to be unhinhabited. How far would the exclusion zone have to be around the island?I do not begin to imagine. For even knowledge of the treasure on the island would corrupt. Who would take it there, would Frodo have become another Gollum, marooned on the isle?. What damage would be done, if the Ring was sent all the way to Aman, what powerful being would it corrupt there. It would not be safe in the air, would it not corrupt The Maiar of the Heavens, or Earendil himself. I am afraid it could not be hidden safely, lest it was placed in the hand of Eru himself, why this is not an option I know not, for surely a thing made of the substance of Arda, would have no power of its ultimate creator.
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I believe that the Valar could have resisted it's temptation.... it's a Maiar's "thing" and the Valar are mightier than them (or so I understand). But even then, Sauron would have probably taken over Middle Earth anyhow. It was only a matter of how long it would take him (barring a lucky break or another intervention by the Valar)
Yet, as the topic of this thread is to propose ALTERNATE strategies, I would suggest just tossing it into the ocean. Sure, it COULD wash up in some shore, but by tossing it into the ocean you make sure that no-one can know for certain where to find it... and thus, it's harder to be corrupted by it
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While Elrond (or Gandalf?) dismissed the ocean
solution (presumably on the suggestion of JRRT) it has some merits. Wouldn't Ulmo, one of the most (the most?) committed to Middle-earth vala, have had an interest in safeguarding it? Another thought. If the "good guys" had gotten control of Orthanc could it have been sealed there (covering the top entrance with more orthanc rock and barring windows with orthanc rock? And there seems to be a strong element of natural fractiousness among the bad guys (remember the two orcs in Mordor thinking of the "good old days" and musing on becoming freelancers after a bad guy win against Gondor. But more fundamental is an underlying philosophy that i see in Tolkien's Middle-earth that Iluvatar would not permit a permanent Sauron taking over Middle-earth (areas could be dominating, as in the Second Age, but eventually there would be a redressing of Middle-earth ills). More later.
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