Bashing: vb, hostile comment directed at a particular individual or group...

[The Only Real Estel]

Bashing. It is a controversial topic but we all know that it does happen. We may all be tired of it or we may not, but I think that this thread is genuinely needed.

This thread is to hash out what exactly we all think bashing means. Is bashing the same as criticism or is bashing more in the sense of the dictionary meaning-hostile comments, or criticism? Seriously, I think this should be discussed.

This thread should not turn into a conversation on any one issue with the movie, issues can be brought up in the interest of giving examples and explaining but we don't need to dwell on something that there are other threads for.

The Saucepan Man is someone who thinks, for the most part, that listing dislikes of the LotR movies is bashing.

Boromir88 is someone who thinks, for the most part, that you can intelligently discuss dislikes & bashing only takes place when you are hostile on a consistent basis towards the film.

I want to know what everyone thinks. Don't just cop out with a "I believe everything Saucie said", give your opinion, give examples. I know I'm not so close-minded that I can't change my thoughts on the usage of the word. That said, let us begin.

In my opinion, bashing is being intensely critical and/or overly hostile. I think that it is entirely possible to intelligently discuss dislikes of the film without going overboard [bashing]. Others have different opinions.

Lets here them.

[Eomer of the Rohirrim]

I thought this was what you were doing TORE.

I criticise the films (a lot). Being critical should incorporate intelligence and fairness.

I bash the films at times too, but that's when I'm being silly and not too serious. For example, I might say '"A diversion" – wonderful...' and mutter something inaudible. That's probably bashing. But if anyone then wanted to be a bit more serious, I can back up my complaints in a fair and reasoned manner. What I was doing was passive bashing. This sort of bashing demonstrates laziness, but it is not hostile.

But Tigerlily's bashers – for anyone not familiar with these people, they only complain at all times and about everything, and seem to take pleasure out of it – are different. They are hostile and, though their criticism can be reasoned, they are still bashing the films.

Criticism with hostility, then, is proper bashing; but not all bashing is the same. There is passive and lazy bashing too: it is not properly critical and not hostile. There's my answer.

[Boromir88]

For those interested, here's the Tigerlilly Bashers Eomer speaks of.

And here are examples of what I consider bashing...

Here

and here

There's more I can dig up, but that should be good.

What I don't consider bashing I will post later, I must get going. Supper time.

This should make my stance more clear. Estel, haha, thought you might do this.

[The Only Real Estel]

Posted by Eomer:

I thought this was what you were doing TORE.

Posted by Boromir88:

Estel, haha, thought you might do this.

Blast, I have been foreseen! Either you two have been hacking into the 'shadowed corners of my mind' or my fellow 'downers just know me too darn well.

[Boromir88]

I think you're just one of the easier ones to predict, after all, you do sound like Darth Vader.

Boromir88 is someone who thinks, for the most part, that you can intelligently discuss dislikes & bashing only takes place when you are hostile on a consistent basis towards the film.

I must say you're better at explaining how I think what bashing is and isn't than I would be able to. Like I promised, what I don't call bashing is expressing dislikes about the movies. In the thread Most hated parts of LOTR (posts 29-31), me and Essex get into a discussion of the beating Gandalf gives to Denethor. We say what we think, Essex shows textual support on what Jackson might have gotten the Denethor is a punching bag inspiration, I say he overused it. Discussions over, we expressed our opinions and moved on, that's what I would classify intellegent debate. We have our own set of opinions, vocalize them, and move on. I dislike a certain part of the movie, another doesn't or vice versa, and we move on.

I consider bashing to be the links I gave to the posts above. People who just say they hate the movies and they're no good. That may very well be someone's opinion, but they don't go on to explain why they don't like the movies. They simply degrade it to try to get attention and cause strife to those who enjoy it. Their sole purpose is to degrade the movie to get attention, not explain and support why they don't like it.

So, bashing, under my thinking is, those who degrade the movie with the sole purpose to grab attention and try to cause hurt to the people who like the movie. There's nothing intellegently enlightening about their posts at all, just a bunch of crap saying how they hate the movies.

Again, "intellegent debate (to me)" is discussing different opinions, and both sides support their stance, certainly isn't movie bashing for the one that doesn't like a certain part of the movie. Just don't like that part and I explain why.

[Son of Númenor]

The Saucepan Man is someone who thinks, for the most part, that listing dislikes of the LotR movies is bashing.

I don't think that is true.