References to Tolkien's work in *your* work - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Encaitare · 08-14-2005, 02:05 PM

I've started a new thread for this since the other school-related threads mostly deal with whether Tolkien should be taught in school. This thread is for bits of Tolkien you've put into your schoolwork (or regular work, too).

My tale is this: economics is boring. I therefore decided to make it more interesting by tying Celebrimbor and Friends into one of my summer assignment questions.

The question: Discuss five of the economic goals listed in the chapter. Give examples of these goals in today's economy. Examining all the goals, describe how certain goals complement each other and how others are mutually exclusive. What priorities do you assign to them?

My response:

Economic policies exist for the purpose of achieving economic goals, of which there are many. The example I shall use to relate these goals to today’s economy is the fictional business Mirdain Jewelers, the owner of which is one Mr. Celebrimbor. The craft of creating jewelry has run in his family – his grandfather was famed for the beauty of his work. However, this ancestor poured so much time and energy into his work that he only created a few pieces, though exquisite they were. This satisfied but half of the goal of economic growth: to create better products. Mr. Celebrimbor has inherited no small amount of his grandfather’s skill, and so he has sought to satisfy the other half of the goal by creating more products. In order to do this, Mr. Celebrimbor realized he had to hire more workers. He hired fellow artisans to work with him, achieving the goal of full employment: the providing of jobs for those willing and able to work. Together, they could increase their output, tying this second goal in with the first. This also allowed them to achieve economic efficiency. With their combined efforts, more resources were available to them, and they now were able to sell more jewelry and even take some commissions. Mr. Celebrimbor and his coworkers were pleased, because the extra money they were able to make gave them the economic freedom to run their business in they way they wanted. The business began to flourish, and orders for many custom pieces of jewelry came in. The workers at Mirdain Jewelers were sometimes unable to take every commission, but they were always glad to recommend another well-reputed business to customers, thus giving potential buyers the freedom of choice as well. As word got out about the skill of Mr. Celebrimbor and his associates, they began to receive commissions from distinguished leaders of foreign nations. Some thought that the work the business did was so special that it should be kept exclusive, but the majority of the workers were eager to have a job so prestigious. They even met with representatives of the foreign nations and incorporated native designs into the commissions. Mr. Celebrimbor hoped that this would improve international relations and create a balance of trade.

All of these goals are clearly interrelated and lead straight into one another, such as full employment and economic efficiency aiding in the achievement of economic growth. Of these five, the balance of trade is the most exclusive, since a business is under no obligation to make an even balance of trade with the rest of the world. A business may opt for a balance which works more in its favor and has no regard for other nations. For example, Mr. Celebrimbor could have decided to refuse to sell his products to other nations. But he and his workers went so far as to take creative input from their foreign customers to make sure that they were satisfied. The goal to which I would assign the highest priority is economic freedom, because without the freedom to make one’s own choices, business owners and workers will lose the desire to do better and create better goods and services. Economic freedom keeps prices lower and products better since rivaling companies are always competing with one another; this is favorable for consumers.

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So here's my question: should I hand this in as my answer? Could it be considered plagiarism since I somewhat borrowed the backstory?

If anyone else has done anything similar, please post it or recount what happened here.

Mithalwen · 08-14-2005, 02:17 PM

Well during my abortive attempt at ACCA I discovered the text book writers were obsessed by Soap operas - all the example business were very clearly based on ones in Walford or Weatherfield (or wherever Coronation Street is...)

Joy · 08-14-2005, 03:48 PM

That would not be plagiarism in my opinion. You could even state at the end that character names and situations were borrowed from UT and the Sil.

I would say that this is very creative and you have done a wonderful job in finding a modern day application to this story and have a good grasp of economic policy

the guy who be short · 08-15-2005, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Joy

I would say that this is very creative and you have done a wonderful job in finding a modern day application to this story and have a good grasp of economic policy.

Completely agree!

And yes, I have included Tolkien in my work over the years. This thread has come at a good time - I'm just sorting out my school books from September 2000 to now! I've noticed Tolkien started creeping in from 2003 onwards.

At the moment, I can only find little scraps. Things such as a piece of Quenya scribbled across the top of my work in Angerthas runes, stating that I am King under the Mountain or whatever. I'm sure I'll uncover something more interesting though, and will tell you when I do!

I also noticed that I changed my Quenya name a lot back then. Originally I just adopted "Aranwe" because I liked the meaning (Kingly person) and for some reason, Glamrist was my surname... Anywho, a lot of work would be signed by my Elvish alias, along with my English name. Yes, the teachers thought me odd...

Ah, I just found some scrawlings in the back of my German book, with little drawings labelled in Quenya.

Dimturiel · 08-15-2005, 11:47 AM

What Encaitare is doing is not plagiarism, it is actually very nice

. Most of my school compositions have a lot of Tolkien references, even if some can be spotted only by true fans. And once at an English competition I had to describe an ideal teacher. I described Aragorn, because I have learned a lot from him and I am still learning. You should have seen what face my English teacher made when I told her what I had done

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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-15-2005, 02:33 PM

I am always using Tolkien's characters in my exams. I was writing about love and just had to write a bit about Luthien and Beren.

The marker for that exam was not a Tolkien fan: no wonder I got an average grade.

As for plagiarism, I put a footnote at the bottom of the page.

the guy who be short · 08-16-2005, 06:53 AM

To think, I once thought I didn't write Fanfiction. My work over the last three years has been a hidden treasure trove of the stuff! (Incidentally, it is only after perusing five years of accumulated work that I'm beginning to see how odd I really am.)

Quite often I'll insert a little snippet here or there, a name or a reference. I won't mention most of these, except I need to tell you all about this one:

In an R.S. quiz, I put in the following question: What religion was J.R.R. Tolkien? a) Puritan, b) Protestant, c) Roman Catholic, d) Elf. Odd, aren't I?

I'll also mention in passing the fact that I once did a speech in English imaginarily welcoming Christopher Tolkien to open a new library or something or other. Unforunately, the actually text is now lost.

French. For some reason, my French work is littered with Tolkien. Here are three of the most Tolkienised pieces.

The first - Writing about a film I recently saw. Here's what I wrote in Januray 2004 (my French was quite poor then, sorry!):

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Le Segneur des Anneaux
Le Segneur des Anneaux est forimidable! C'est avec Orlando Bloom et Viggo Mortensen, et Elijah Wood, Hugo Weaving et Sean Bean aussi. C'est un film fantastique, et je l'adore. Les Royaumes des Rohan et Gondor sont supers, mais ils sont attaqués par Orcs. Frodo (Elijah Wood) joue un Hobbit qui doit destruire l'anneau. C'est genial!

Translation: The Lord of the Rings
The Lord of the Rings is great! Starring Orlando Bloom and Viggo Mortensen, and Elijah Wood, Hugo Weaving and Sean Bean too. It's a fantasty film, and I love it. The Kingdoms of Rohan and Gondor are super, but they are attacked by Orcs. Frodo (Elijah Wood) plays a Hobbit who must destroy the ring. Wonderful!

Next, a piece from December '02 about "Ma Maison Idéale," My Ideal Home.

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Ma Maison Idéale
Ma maison idéale est l'Orthanc tour dans le Seigneur des Anneaux. Mon terrain compris deux chaînes des montagnes, beaucoup de collines, une fleuve, une lac, une forêt, une armée ville et un dragon. En la tour d'Orthanc il y a vingt-cinq etages, y compris huit etages de donjons (328 complètement).

Translation: My ideal home is Orthanc from LotR. My grounds include two chains of mountains, a lot of hills, a river, a lake, a forest, an army camp/town and a dragon. In Orthanc tower there are 25 floors, including 8 floors of dungeons (328 overall).
This piece of work was very well illustrated. On one page I had all my grounds (including the Orthwood, Ered Orthanc, Emyn Orthanc, Ered Armée, Orthanc River and Orthanc Lake. Oh, and a dragon). On the other was Orthanc Tower, with "l'Hobbit trou," a hobbit hole in a hill, next to it.

This is getting a little long. More next time!

Lyta_Underhill · 08-16-2005, 09:53 AM

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For example, Mr. Celebrimbor could have decided to refuse to sell his products to other nations. But he and his workers went so far as to take creative input from their foreign customers to make sure that they were satisfied. The goal to which I would assign the highest priority is economic freedom, because without the freedom to make one’s own choices, business owners and workers will lose the desire to do better and create better goods and services.

Interesting use of Tolkien, Encaitare! Perhaps there can be some thought given to the relationship between management and workers as well, as there was the alliance between Celebrimbor and Narvi, and the works of Moria flourished then...and how "delving too deeply" can cause a business to go under due to a "Balrog market."

Also, I can't imagine the Elves mass-producing Great Rings like Burger King might (or even the high-end reproduction makers!)! That was one thing that contributed to my absolutely NOT wanting a "One Ring" to signify my solidarity with the world of Tolkien. That, and the fact that "The Ring is altogether evil..." I instead wear a Lorien leaf brooch and leave its interpretation to those who recognize it. Those who don't still comment on how nice it looks! Perhaps the marketer should be Sauron! After all, he must have marketed those Great Rings to the races of Middle Earth in some convincing way!

Sauron's business ethic: Hook the consumer, then up the price!

Celebrimbor and Narvi: Perfection in one's work.

I'd say Sauron's ethic is closer to the mainstream economic ethic, unfortunately.

This has been a great bit of fun and has helped the coffee reach my brain! Thanks, Enca!

Cheers!
Lyta

Encaitare · 08-16-2005, 01:32 PM

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Perhaps the marketer should be Sauron! After all, he must have marketed those Great Rings to the races of Middle Earth in some convincing way!

Unfortunately, my textbook doesn't name any kind of economic goal involving avoiding being enslaved at the hands of an over-zealous commissioner...

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Perhaps there can be some thought given to the relationship between management and workers as well, as there was the alliance between Celebrimbor and Narvi, and the works of Moria flourished then...and how "delving too deeply" can cause a business to go under due to a "Balrog market."

Not a bad idea... perhaps I'll work that in there somewhere!

the guy who be short · 08-16-2005, 03:29 PM

Two more then.

Firstly, a French interview with a famous person. Guess who I chose.

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Une interview avec John Tolkien
Moi: Bon jour!
J.R.R: Je deteste le francais!
M: Pourquoi? Francais est la langue d'amour! C'est beau, n'est-ce pas?
J: Non. Je la deteste. C'est embêtant.
M: Er... quel âge avez-vous?
J: J'ai plus de cent ans. Malheureusement je suis mort. Mort comme un dodo!
M: Vous n'aimez pas être mort?
J: Non. Je ne peux pas manger, tout le monde ont peur de moi et Jesus me dèteste!
M: Pourquoi?
J: Les morts ne pouvent pas enter Heaven.
M: Ah. Alors, As-tu un film préferé?
J: Le Segneur des Anneaux
M: Et votre caractère préferé est...?
J: Frodo. Il est petit!
M Vraiment?
J: Oui! Très petit!
M: Alors, Ou habitez-vous?
J: Métro.
M: Avez-vous un animal?
J: Un ver de terre, Jeff. Il est mort.
J: Merci, et au revoir.

An Interview with John Tolkien
Me: Good day
J.R.R: I hate French!
M: Why? French is the language of love. It's beautiful, isn't it?
J: No. I hate it. It's (embarassing, apparently).
M: Er... How old are you?
J: More than 100. Unfortunately, I'm dead. Dead like a Dodo!
M: You don't like being dead?
J: No. I can't eat, everybody's afraid of me and Jesus hates me!
M: Why?
J: The Dead may not enter Heaven
M: Ah. Well, do you have a favourite film?
J: The Lord of the Rings
M: And your favourite character is...?
J: Frodo. He's small!
M: Oh, really?
J: Yes! Very small!
M: Where do you live?
J: Under the ground.
M: And do you have a pet?
J: An earthworm, Jeff. He's dead.
M: Thank you and good bye.

I tried to work in his hating the French language, but it spiralled into insanity from there, as so many of my works are wont to do...

A much shorter one now. During P.S.H.E. (Personal Social Health Education) we were learning about drugs and their effects. I illustrated "Heroin" with a small caption from Lord of the Rings (Banquo from Shakespeare was also there, being a running joke of mine at the time, but isn't relevant).

From left to right, the drawings were:
Banquo, stating "I am Banquo!"
Boromir, randomly saying "I care not."
Legolas: Friend Gimli, you are short.
Gimli: Do not take heroin, it leaves you looking like Smeagol.
Gandalf: (of the Heroring inbetween them): Give it to me, Smeagol.
Heroring: Can't talk, obviously. It just lay there.
Gollum: (Wavy haired and crazy-eyed) Yesss my preciousss... heroin... No! you can't take my precious!
A small mushroom: I'm a magic mushroom! Whoooooo! (Erm - also not relevant, it was a running joke too, but it was there nonetheless).

In the distance behind all this was a flaming eye, declaring itself the Eye of Sauron, and a man questioning his anatomy.

That is all for now, though I shall return once more.

Encaitare · 08-16-2005, 05:20 PM

*dies laughing*

Tolkien summing up his work as "Frodo. He's small" is fantastic... and the pet earthworm...

08-14-2005, 02:05 PM	#1
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	*References to Tolkien's work in your* work I've started a new thread for this since the other school-related threads mostly deal with whether Tolkien should be taught in school. This thread is for bits of Tolkien you've put into your schoolwork (or regular work, too). My tale is this: economics is boring. I therefore decided to make it more interesting by tying Celebrimbor and Friends into one of my summer assignment questions. The question: Discuss five of the economic goals listed in the chapter. Give examples of these goals in today's economy. Examining all the goals, describe how certain goals complement each other and how others are mutually exclusive. What priorities do you assign to them? My response: Economic policies exist for the purpose of achieving economic goals, of which there are many. The example I shall use to relate these goals to today’s economy is the fictional business Mirdain Jewelers, the owner of which is one Mr. Celebrimbor. The craft of creating jewelry has run in his family – his grandfather was famed for the beauty of his work. However, this ancestor poured so much time and energy into his work that he only created a few pieces, though exquisite they were. This satisfied but half of the goal of economic growth: to create better products. Mr. Celebrimbor has inherited no small amount of his grandfather’s skill, and so he has sought to satisfy the other half of the goal by creating more products. In order to do this, Mr. Celebrimbor realized he had to hire more workers. He hired fellow artisans to work with him, achieving the goal of full employment: the providing of jobs for those willing and able to work. Together, they could increase their output, tying this second goal in with the first. This also allowed them to achieve economic efficiency. With their combined efforts, more resources were available to them, and they now were able to sell more jewelry and even take some commissions. Mr. Celebrimbor and his coworkers were pleased, because the extra money they were able to make gave them the economic freedom to run their business in they way they wanted. The business began to flourish, and orders for many custom pieces of jewelry came in. The workers at Mirdain Jewelers were sometimes unable to take every commission, but they were always glad to recommend another well-reputed business to customers, thus giving potential buyers the freedom of choice as well. As word got out about the skill of Mr. Celebrimbor and his associates, they began to receive commissions from distinguished leaders of foreign nations. Some thought that the work the business did was so special that it should be kept exclusive, but the majority of the workers were eager to have a job so prestigious. They even met with representatives of the foreign nations and incorporated native designs into the commissions. Mr. Celebrimbor hoped that this would improve international relations and create a balance of trade**. All of these goals are clearly interrelated and lead straight into one another, such as full employment and economic efficiency aiding in the achievement of economic growth. Of these five, the balance of trade is the most exclusive, since a business is under no obligation to make an even balance of trade with the rest of the world. A business may opt for a balance which works more in its favor and has no regard for other nations. For example, Mr. Celebrimbor could have decided to refuse to sell his products to other nations. But he and his workers went so far as to take creative input from their foreign customers to make sure that they were satisfied. The goal to which I would assign the highest priority is economic freedom, because without the freedom to make one’s own choices, business owners and workers will lose the desire to do better and create better goods and services. Economic freedom keeps prices lower and products better since rivaling companies are always competing with one another; this is favorable for consumers. ------------------------------------- So here's my question: should I hand this in as my answer? Could it be considered plagiarism since I somewhat borrowed the backstory? If anyone else has done anything similar, please post it or recount what happened here.

08-14-2005, 02:17 PM	#2
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	Well during my abortive attempt at ACCA I discovered the text book writers were obsessed by Soap operas - all the example business were very clearly based on ones in Walford or Weatherfield (or wherever Coronation Street is...) __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-14-2005, 03:48 PM	#3
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	That would not be plagiarism in my opinion. You could even state at the end that character names and situations were borrowed from UT and the Sil. I would say that this is very creative and you have done a wonderful job in finding a modern day application to this story and have a good grasp of economic policy __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

08-15-2005, 11:47 AM	#5
Dimturiel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2005 Location: the road less travelled by Posts: 910	What Encaitare is doing is not plagiarism, it is actually very nice. Most of my school compositions have a lot of Tolkien references, even if some can be spotted only by true fans. And once at an English competition I had to describe an ideal teacher. I described Aragorn, because I have learned a lot from him and I am still learning. You should have seen what face my English teacher made when I told her what I had done. __________________ Is this the end? No more the hunt, the journey and the goal? That terrifies me most: no more the goal! -Ray Bradbury, Leviathan '99

08-15-2005, 02:33 PM	#6
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	I am always using Tolkien's characters in my exams. I was writing about love and just had to write a bit about Luthien and Beren. The marker for that exam was not a Tolkien fan: no wonder I got an average grade. As for plagiarism, I put a footnote at the bottom of the page. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-16-2005, 05:20 PM	#11
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	dies laughing Tolkien summing up his work as "Frodo. He's small" is fantastic... and the pet earthworm...