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Findegil · 03-29-2005, 04:19 PM

Just an aside question which comes to my mind while I am working on the Fall of Nargothrond part of the Narn:
Are we going to include drawings and pictures from JRR Tolkien in our book?

And what about his Maps?

Both questions are not so easy. The drawings and pictures nearly unchangeable at all. Maybe we could change a name in the underscript and even that is difficult if the underscript is part of the picture and no other change seemes possible at all. But some pictures can clearly be used and they would bring a further aspect of Tolkiens view of Middle-Earth.

In the maps we must reproduce the drawing but the names written on it must be fit the nomenclature. Thus the maps will make a lot of trouble. But for me it seems that we need the maps.

So what do you think?

Respectfully
Findegil

Maédhros · 03-30-2005, 08:18 AM

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Are we going to include drawings and pictures from JRR Tolkien in our book?

To tell you the truth, I never did see our work as a book. I just thought that we would hopefully one day finish the chapters of the Sil Project and that would be it.

I think that there was a thread somewhere about maps and pictures. I think that it would be nice for us to have them, especially updated them with the new names and stuff but at least I could not do it.

If you or anyone else wants to do it, great, I can see that it would be a great addition but for me at least, reading our chapters, especially the one about the Narn is enough for me.

Findegil · 04-26-2006, 01:22 PM

Pictures that in my opinion should be used in the „Translation from the Elvish / Part One: The Elder Days“. I will give the title of the Picture the chapter in our work were I think it should fit and the book were it can be found there after the no. it has in that book and the page (p.) were it is in my edition. Pictures stands for Pictures by JRR Tolkien and Artist for JRR Tolkien – Artist and Ilustrator edited by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull.

The Hills of the Morning; Akallabeth; Artist; Frontispiece
Cove near the Lizard; FoG; Artist; no.21; p. 25
Tanaqui; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no.43; p.47
The Shores of Faery; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 44; p. 48
Mithrim; QS, Cha. 15; Artist; no. 46; p. 50
Glórund sets forth to seek Túrin; Narn, The coming of Glaurung; Artist; no. 47; p. 51
Hringboga Heorte Gefysed; QS, Cha. 21; Artist; no. 48; p. 52
NN (Dragon with Warrior); QS, Cha. 21; Artist; no. 49; p. 52
Halls of Manwe (Taniquetil); QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 52; p. 56
NN (Mountain Landscape); QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 53; p.57
Taur-na-Fúin; Narn, Beleg; Artist; no. 54; p. 58
The Vale of Sirion (Tol Sirion); QS, Cha. 17; Artist; no.55; p. 59
Nargothrond; QS, Cha. 16; Artist; no. 56; p. 60
NN (Nargothrond); Narn, Faelivrin; Artist; no. 57; p. 60
Gondolin & the Vale of Tumladen from Cristhorn; QS, Cha. 18; Artist; no. 58; p. 61
The Wood at the World's End; QS, Cha. 13; Artist; no. 60; p. 63
Heraldic Devices; Pictures; no. 47:
Feanor; QS, Cha. 5
Beren; QS, Cha. 26
Finrod Felagund; QS, Cha. 20
Beor; QS, Cha. 20
Hador; QS, Cha. 20
The Silmarils; QS, Cha. 8
House of Haleth; QS, Cha. 20

Idrils heraldic device; FoG; Artist; no. 189; p. 192
Earendil; FoG; Artist; no. 190; p. 193
Gil-galad; QS, Cha. 32; Artist; no. 190; p. 193
Finwe and Elwe; QS, Cha. 3; Artist; no. 191; p. 194
Finraphin and Fingolfin; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 192; p. 195
Melian; QS, Cha. 4; Artist; no. 193; p. 196
Lúthien Tinuvíel; QS, Cha. 12; Artist; no. 194; p. 197
Lúthien Tinuvíel; BL, Of Lúthien the beloved; Artist; no. 195; p. 197
NN (Grasses); QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 196; p. 198
Floral Designs; QS, Cha. 1; Pictures; no. 45
NN (Entrance to the Elvenking's Halls); QS, Cha. 12; Artist; no. 119; p. 125
Three Dragons (the 3rd one); FoG; Pictures; no. 40
NN (Patterns); Muster; the winged sun in the upper right corner); QS, Cha. 3; Artist; no. 183; p. 186
Wickedness; QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 32; p. 37
The Tree of Amalion; QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 62; p. 64

Feel free to disagree with my choices o pictures and of placement.

Respecfully
Findegil

Aiwendil · 04-26-2006, 01:55 PM

I'll go through and correct those to the English names, if you like.

And yes, I am still making every effort to continue with the work on Beren and Luthien - I should have some more comments up in a day or so.

Findegil · 04-27-2006, 02:58 PM

Good to know - for both parts of your message.

Respectfully
Findegil

Aiwendil · 04-28-2006, 10:40 AM

Okay, I've corrected the titles. I will give my thoughts on the pictures later. However, it seems to me that "Eeriness" (Artist No. 40) and "Water, Wind & Sand" (Artist No. 42) ought to have a place in your list.

03-29-2005, 04:19 PM	#1
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Drawings, pictures and maps? Just an aside question which comes to my mind while I am working on the Fall of Nargothrond part of the Narn: Are we going to include drawings and pictures from JRR Tolkien in our book? And what about his Maps? Both questions are not so easy. The drawings and pictures nearly unchangeable at all. Maybe we could change a name in the underscript and even that is difficult if the underscript is part of the picture and no other change seemes possible at all. But some pictures can clearly be used and they would bring a further aspect of Tolkiens view of Middle-Earth. In the maps we must reproduce the drawing but the names written on it must be fit the nomenclature. Thus the maps will make a lot of trouble. But for me it seems that we need the maps. So what do you think? Respectfully Findegil

04-26-2006, 01:22 PM	#3
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Pictures that in my opinion should be used in the „Translation from the Elvish / Part One: The Elder Days“. I will give the title of the Picture the chapter in our work were I think it should fit and the book were it can be found there after the no. it has in that book and the page (p.) were it is in my edition. Pictures stands for Pictures by JRR Tolkien and Artist for JRR Tolkien – Artist and Ilustrator edited by Wayne G. Hammond and Christina Scull. The Hills of the Morning; Akallabeth; Artist; Frontispiece Cove near the Lizard; FoG; Artist; no.21; p. 25 Tanaqui; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no.43; p.47 The Shores of Faery; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 44; p. 48 Mithrim; QS, Cha. 15; Artist; no. 46; p. 50 Glórund sets forth to seek Túrin; Narn, The coming of Glaurung; Artist; no. 47; p. 51 Hringboga Heorte Gefysed; QS, Cha. 21; Artist; no. 48; p. 52 NN (Dragon with Warrior); QS, Cha. 21; Artist; no. 49; p. 52 Halls of Manwe (Taniquetil); QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 52; p. 56 NN (Mountain Landscape); QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 53; p.57 Taur-na-Fúin; Narn, Beleg; Artist; no. 54; p. 58 The Vale of Sirion (Tol Sirion); QS, Cha. 17; Artist; no.55; p. 59 Nargothrond; QS, Cha. 16; Artist; no. 56; p. 60 NN (Nargothrond); Narn, Faelivrin; Artist; no. 57; p. 60 Gondolin & the Vale of Tumladen from Cristhorn; QS, Cha. 18; Artist; no. 58; p. 61 The Wood at the World's End; QS, Cha. 13; Artist; no. 60; p. 63 Heraldic Devices; Pictures; no. 47: Feanor; QS, Cha. 5 Beren; QS, Cha. 26 Finrod Felagund; QS, Cha. 20 Beor; QS, Cha. 20 Hador; QS, Cha. 20 The Silmarils; QS, Cha. 8 House of Haleth; QS, Cha. 20 Idrils heraldic device; FoG; Artist; no. 189; p. 192 Earendil; FoG; Artist; no. 190; p. 193 Gil-galad; QS, Cha. 32; Artist; no. 190; p. 193 Finwe and Elwe; QS, Cha. 3; Artist; no. 191; p. 194 Finraphin and Fingolfin; QS, Cha. 5; Artist; no. 192; p. 195 Melian; QS, Cha. 4; Artist; no. 193; p. 196 Lúthien Tinuvíel; QS, Cha. 12; Artist; no. 194; p. 197 Lúthien Tinuvíel; BL, Of Lúthien the beloved; Artist; no. 195; p. 197 NN (Grasses); QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 196; p. 198 Floral Designs; QS, Cha. 1; Pictures; no. 45 NN (Entrance to the Elvenking's Halls); QS, Cha. 12; Artist; no. 119; p. 125 Three Dragons (the 3rd one); FoG; Pictures; no. 40 NN (Patterns); Muster; the winged sun in the upper right corner); QS, Cha. 3; Artist; no. 183; p. 186 Wickedness; QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 32; p. 37 The Tree of Amalion; QS, Cha. 1; Artist; no. 62; p. 64 Feel free to disagree with my choices o pictures and of placement. Respecfully Findegil Last edited by Aiwendil; 04-28-2006 at 11:43 AM.

04-26-2006, 01:55 PM	#4
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	I'll go through and correct those to the English names, if you like. And yes, I am still making every effort to continue with the work on Beren and Luthien - I should have some more comments up in a day or so.

04-27-2006, 02:58 PM	#5
Findegil King's Writer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,721	Good to know - for both parts of your message. Respectfully Findegil

04-28-2006, 10:40 AM	#6
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	Okay, I've corrected the titles. I will give my thoughts on the pictures later. However, it seems to me that "Eeriness" (Artist No. 40) and "Water, Wind & Sand" (Artist No. 42) ought to have a place in your list.