Arwen's Lament - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elianna · 03-08-2005, 05:06 PM

Anyone want to explain what the expletive it means:

With a sigh you turn away,
With a deepening heart no words to say,
You will find that the world has changed forever.

The leaves are now changing from green to golden
And the sun is now fading
I wish I could hold you closer.

It seems to me a nonsensical jumble of vaguely Tolkien sounding words and ideas, but maybe I just don't undestand poetry (as Sam put it).

Lathriel · 03-08-2005, 07:07 PM

So in other words you are sad about what PJ did to Arwen in the movie?

Elianna · 03-08-2005, 08:13 PM

Not so much sad, but upset. My main elven alter-ego is Glorfindel's daughter, and I'm a purist, so that doesn't leave much room for liking the movie-Arwen.

But that's not what this topic is about. I do not understand what the song is talking about.

Upon another reading I guess I understand the second verse. "Leaves are now changing from green to gold, and the Sun is now fading." The ideas here are similar to Galadriel's "O Lorien! The Winter comes! The bare and leafless day. / The leaves are falling in the stream, the river flows away." The Elves are fading, the world is changing. Then "I wish I could hold you closer." duh, Arwen wishes she weren't seperated from Aragorn.

I still don't "get" the first verse. And while I partially understand it being said by Arwen, I still don't understand how it fits into the Houses of Healing.

Sorry for the tone of these posts, I get touchy about my not understanding poetry.

Encaitare · 03-08-2005, 09:11 PM

Perhaps it has something to do with how Faramir and Eowyn have both suffered a loss of close kin -- their worlds have changed forever?

Elianna · 03-08-2005, 09:12 PM

Thank you. I'm happy now.

Dûrbelethwen · 03-09-2005, 08:27 AM

"I still don't "get" the first verse. And while I partially understand it being said by Arwen, I still don't understand how it fits into the Houses of Healing."

It orignally was to be sung in the background of the scene when Arwen had her vision Eldarion before she turn back to Rivendell.

03-08-2005, 05:06 PM	#1
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Arwen's Lament Anyone want to explain what the expletive it means: With a sigh you turn away, With a deepening heart no words to say, You will find that the world has changed forever. The leaves are now changing from green to golden And the sun is now fading I wish I could hold you closer. It seems to me a nonsensical jumble of vaguely Tolkien sounding words and ideas, but maybe I just don't undestand poetry (as Sam put it). __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

03-08-2005, 07:07 PM	#2
Lathriel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Wandering through Middle-Earth (Sadly in Alberta and not ME) Posts: 612	So in other words you are sad about what PJ did to Arwen in the movie? __________________ Back again

03-08-2005, 08:13 PM	#3
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Not so much sad, but upset. My main elven alter-ego is Glorfindel's daughter, and I'm a purist, so that doesn't leave much room for liking the movie-Arwen. But that's not what this topic is about. I do not understand what the song is talking about. Upon another reading I guess I understand the second verse. "Leaves are now changing from green to gold, and the Sun is now fading." The ideas here are similar to Galadriel's "O Lorien! The Winter comes! The bare and leafless day. / The leaves are falling in the stream, the river flows away." The Elves are fading, the world is changing. Then "I wish I could hold you closer." duh, Arwen wishes she weren't seperated from Aragorn. I still don't "get" the first verse. And while I partially understand it being said by Arwen, I still don't understand how it fits into the Houses of Healing. Sorry for the tone of these posts, I get touchy about my not understanding poetry. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

03-08-2005, 09:12 PM	#5
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	Thank you. I'm happy now. __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

03-08-2005, 09:11 PM	#4
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	Perhaps it has something to do with how Faramir and Eowyn have both suffered a loss of close kin -- their worlds have changed forever?

03-09-2005, 08:27 AM	#6
Dûrbelethwen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 80	"I still don't "get" the first verse. And while I partially understand it being said by Arwen, I still don't understand how it fits into the Houses of Healing." It orignally was to be sung in the background of the scene when Arwen had her vision Eldarion before she turn back to Rivendell.