We Nine Kings of....where? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elianna · 11-29-2004, 08:28 AM

Which nine kings of Men took the Nine rings? I can barely think of nine places where men lived that have kings, and it makes no sense for some of those to have become Ring-wraiths. I know one of them is an Easterling, and there's the Witch-King of Angmar. But where are the other seven from?

rutslegolas · 11-29-2004, 08:38 AM

I do not whether JRR has mentioned anywhere where the Nine Kings came from ,but according to me One was as you mention the King of Angmar , an Easterling King, One Haradrim I suppose , and the Other corrupted Numenoreans ??

Lalaith · 11-29-2004, 08:45 AM

According to the encyclopaedia of Arda:

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One of them, the second in rank after the Lord of the Nazgûl himself, was named Khamûl, and also known as the Black Easterling. This is the only one of the nine Nazgûl explicitly named by Tolkien

I always assumed that the WitchKing ruled over Angmar after he became a ringwraith, rather than before. I don't know why.

Rimbaud · 11-29-2004, 09:14 AM

Certainly a very patchy area. The only explicitly named, as said above, are the Witch-king of Angmar, and his second in command Khamûl.

At least three of them were of Black Númenórean race.

Khamûl was a lord of Easterlings, and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although there has been some speculation that Gothmog, Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, may have been a Nazgûl. That said, Gothmog generally isn't an especially clear part of the canon, what with Gondolin-Goth as well...

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-30-2004, 07:34 AM

Were they all kings?

rutslegolas · 11-30-2004, 08:08 AM

Well I can't see how the corrupted Numernoreans could all be Kings,but the Haradrim and the Easterling could be and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar ,so their could be hidden kingdoms in Middle-Earth that we do not know about ????

Elianna · 11-30-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Were they all kings?

That's part of what I was wondering. The Ring poem just says "Nine for the Mortal Men doomed to die," nothing about them all being kings.

Perhaps some of them were only lords of darkness?

11-29-2004, 08:28 AM	#1
Elianna Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ad finem itineris Posts: 384	We Nine Kings of....where? Which nine kings of Men took the Nine rings? I can barely think of nine places where men lived that have kings, and it makes no sense for some of those to have become Ring-wraiths. I know one of them is an Easterling, and there's the Witch-King of Angmar. But where are the other seven from? __________________ Enyale cuilenya, ú-enyale mandenya.

11-29-2004, 08:38 AM	#2
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	I do not whether JRR has mentioned anywhere where the Nine Kings came from ,but according to me One was as you mention the King of Angmar , an Easterling King, One Haradrim I suppose , and the Other corrupted Numenoreans ?? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

11-29-2004, 09:14 AM	#4
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Certainly a very patchy area. The only explicitly named, as said above, are the Witch-king of Angmar, and his second in command Khamûl. At least three of them were of Black Númenórean race. Khamûl was a lord of Easterlings, and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although there has been some speculation that Gothmog, Lieutenant of Barad-dûr, may have been a Nazgûl. That said, Gothmog generally isn't an especially clear part of the canon, what with Gondolin-Goth as well... __________________ And all the rest is literature

11-30-2004, 07:34 AM	#5
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Were they all kings? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

11-30-2004, 08:08 AM	#6
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	Well I can't see how the corrupted Numernoreans could all be Kings,but the Haradrim and the Easterling could be and as we know the Morgul -King was the King of Angmar ,so their could be hidden kingdoms in Middle-Earth that we do not know about ???? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.