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09-25-2004, 10:38 PM | #1 | ||
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A Wizard's Errand
I was glancing through the description of Gandalf on the home page of the Downs, and I noticed this at the bottom:
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Here's what we know about the Istari's choices:
So Gandalf and Saruman made definite decisions. But did the others really forsake the reason they were sent? I, for one, don't really think so.
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09-25-2004, 10:53 PM | #2 | |
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The difference is the manner in which they failed. Saruman not only abandoned the mission, he turned against it - i.e. taking an active part for the opposite side. The other three simply ignored their mission (unless the Blue Wizards turned evil also).
Tolkien is actually the one who said that: Quote:
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09-26-2004, 07:05 AM | #3 |
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Ah..... Very true. Thank you.
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09-26-2004, 08:05 AM | #4 |
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Maybe this belongs in the thread about Fate, but you can argue each Istari also had it's own personal quest, or maybe not "personal" maybe, it was just "fate" that it happened the way it did.
For example, Saruman represented Aule, and of course, he got greedy, and it's only natural he would lust for power, or money...etc. I mean Dwarves and Noldor both also from Aule, would greed for power or money, then we have Sauron, most like Aule, greedy. So if you get the point, I think "fate" is definately playing a role with the Istari. Then we have Radagast, representing Yavanna, so it's only natural that Radagast would fall in love with the birds and nature. Again, is this fate? Or did Yavanna tell Radagast to tend the birds/nature of Middle-Earth. Lastly, Gandalf, not really representing any Valar, but most closely represents Manwe, so it's only natural that he would succeed in the Istari's "task."
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09-27-2004, 03:19 AM | #5 |
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Did Radagast not fufil his mission because he sent Gandalf to Saruman? Does this count as an act of treachery?
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09-27-2004, 04:19 AM | #6 |
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I wouldn't say so, Radagast did not know that Saruman had turned evil, all he knew is that Saruman wanted to see Gandalf, Saruman is a persuasive talker after all. Gandalf said if he had sensed something wrong with Radagast he wouldn't have gone, or would have went to Orthanc more warily, so Radagast was just relaying a message, wasn't trying to get Gandalf killed.
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