Eowyn, Eomer.....Their Lifespans? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

yavanna II · 08-24-2004, 07:14 AM

The Rohirrim were the Twilight Men, the second "class" men as I understand it. Now Eowyn's grandma was a descendant of Numenor, right? The Morwen of Dol Something?

i can't remember....

Now could it be possible that Eowyn, Eomer & other descendants of Morwen to at least have longer lifespans than most Rohirrim?

Like, the ordinary Rohirrim span is around 80, the Gondorians around 150-200. Could it be possible that Eowyn or Eomer received at least 100 years of age?

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 08:44 AM

Morwen of Lossarnach is what you are thinking of, Forlong was the lord of Lossarnach during the Siege of Minas Tirith.

As for the age difference. I thought the men of Rohan could live up to around 100 years old, I mean you have Aldor the old who reigned for 75 years live close to 100, Eomer was next reigned 65 years and lived into the 90s. Then if you look at some other kings their age ranges from around 90-100, not including the ones who died by getting slain in battle...etc. So maybe 80 is a little too young I would raise it to atleast 90, but that's my personal opinion.

Where as the people of Gondor, I would think 150-200 is too much. They were able to live into the 120's and the people of Dol Amroth maybe a few years more, since they have elven and Numenorean blood. If you look at Faramir he lived to be 120 and having Numenorean blood they would live longer then the Rohirrim. In the Early years of Gondor the men could live to be 200 but not in the recent years or even in Morwen's years. 110-120 is the age for most people of Gondor.

Maybe it did make their descendants, Theoden (can't really tell since he died in battle) or Theodwyn who got sick after giving birth, but maybe it effected Eomer and Eowyn. If it did it wouldn't be by much maybe a few years if that.

Also another thing we have to look at, Galador, founder of Dol Amroth. Had children with Mithrellas, an elf, but that did not make their descendants half-elves, so age between races doesn't work like ok she's 120 hes 90, their descendants now having a bit of numenorean blood will live longer. Age is really confusing and I'm not sure if I totally figured it out yet.

Mithalwen · 08-24-2004, 10:47 AM

I haven't got the exact dates on me but I am pretty sure the Lords of Dol Amroth lived to be about 100. And I think Beregond tells Pippin that in Gondor at that time it was rare to find a man of 80 who was still hale unless he belonged to a purer blooded house. The lords of the Rohirrim might have slightly longer life expectancy than their people due to intermarriage with noble Gondorian families ...

However Faramir has an exceptionally long life even allowing for his "pure" lineage
and, as I have said in another thread, my theory is that may be a little of the Numenorean grace was extended to him for his role in the downfall of Sauron ... maybe this principle could be extended to Eowyn and Eomer ... though if I remember rightly Eomer's life was long but not freakishly so....

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 11:18 AM

Mithalwen, that was a good point you brought up, and I did find the quote you are talking about. We know Faramir and Denethor were of purer Numenorean blood, I mean Faramir did live to be 120. Denethor at 88 was very "hale" as he wore a full coat of mail and a sword still, so if he hadn't of gone mad probably could have lived much longer. A thing that I forgot to mention was most men of Gondor were far from a "purer blood" for in the beginning Gondor had a much larger population then that of Arnor.

Mithalwen · 08-24-2004, 11:29 AM

I think quite a lot of thes points came up in Osse's thread "The Landing of Elendil"...

Boromir88 · 08-24-2004, 11:46 AM

I mean the really tricky stuff about age is you really never know. If you look in the charts of Peoples, the 3 stewards before Denethor did not reach 100, but does that mean if Denethor hadn't of gone crazy he wouldn't of reached 100. No because before that, it would range maybe under 100, to 100, or into the 110's, the first ruling steward Mardil was 120, then we know Faramir is also 120. So it's just really one of those mysteries, sort of why do we have people who are done at 75, but there are those that can live to be 100?

The whole think about the half-elven is another tricky concept. The point about Galador and Mithrellas, their children, are in blood "half-elven" but they don't have that half-elven choice of being mortal or immortal. As explained with Earendil and Elwing, Manwe is the one who puts that "choice" on people, it has nothing to do with their lineage. Whether one parent is elven the other is mortal, by blood you could be half-elves, but Manwe puts the "choice" on people, like Earendil and Elwing's sons, Elrond and Elros.

08-24-2004, 07:14 AM	#1
yavanna II Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: in my own little world Posts: 142	Eowyn, Eomer.....Their Lifespans? The Rohirrim were the Twilight Men, the second "class" men as I understand it. Now Eowyn's grandma was a descendant of Numenor, right? The Morwen of Dol Something? i can't remember.... Now could it be possible that Eowyn, Eomer & other descendants of Morwen to at least have longer lifespans than most Rohirrim? Like, the ordinary Rohirrim span is around 80, the Gondorians around 150-200. Could it be possible that Eowyn or Eomer received at least 100 years of age?

08-24-2004, 08:44 AM	#2
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	Age Morwen of Lossarnach is what you are thinking of, Forlong was the lord of Lossarnach during the Siege of Minas Tirith. As for the age difference. I thought the men of Rohan could live up to around 100 years old, I mean you have Aldor the old who reigned for 75 years live close to 100, Eomer was next reigned 65 years and lived into the 90s. Then if you look at some other kings their age ranges from around 90-100, not including the ones who died by getting slain in battle...etc. So maybe 80 is a little too young I would raise it to atleast 90, but that's my personal opinion. Where as the people of Gondor, I would think 150-200 is too much. They were able to live into the 120's and the people of Dol Amroth maybe a few years more, since they have elven and Numenorean blood. If you look at Faramir he lived to be 120 and having Numenorean blood they would live longer then the Rohirrim. In the Early years of Gondor the men could live to be 200 but not in the recent years or even in Morwen's years. 110-120 is the age for most people of Gondor. Maybe it did make their descendants, Theoden (can't really tell since he died in battle) or Theodwyn who got sick after giving birth, but maybe it effected Eomer and Eowyn. If it did it wouldn't be by much maybe a few years if that. Also another thing we have to look at, Galador, founder of Dol Amroth. Had children with Mithrellas, an elf, but that did not make their descendants half-elves, so age between races doesn't work like ok she's 120 hes 90, their descendants now having a bit of numenorean blood will live longer. Age is really confusing and I'm not sure if I totally figured it out yet.

08-24-2004, 10:47 AM	#3
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I haven't got the exact dates on me but I am pretty sure the Lords of Dol Amroth lived to be about 100. And I think Beregond tells Pippin that in Gondor at that time it was rare to find a man of 80 who was still hale unless he belonged to a purer blooded house. The lords of the Rohirrim might have slightly longer life expectancy than their people due to intermarriage with noble Gondorian families ... However Faramir has an exceptionally long life even allowing for his "pure" lineage and, as I have said in another thread, my theory is that may be a little of the Numenorean grace was extended to him for his role in the downfall of Sauron ... maybe this principle could be extended to Eowyn and Eomer ... though if I remember rightly Eomer's life was long but not freakishly so.... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-24-2004, 11:18 AM	#4
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	Good point Mithalwen, that was a good point you brought up, and I did find the quote you are talking about. We know Faramir and Denethor were of purer Numenorean blood, I mean Faramir did live to be 120. Denethor at 88 was very "hale" as he wore a full coat of mail and a sword still, so if he hadn't of gone mad probably could have lived much longer. A thing that I forgot to mention was most men of Gondor were far from a "purer blood" for in the beginning Gondor had a much larger population then that of Arnor.

08-24-2004, 11:29 AM	#5
Mithalwen Pilgrim Soul Join Date: May 2004 Location: watching the wonga-wonga birds circle... Posts: 9,458	I think quite a lot of thes points came up in Osse's thread "The Landing of Elendil"... __________________ “But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.” Christopher Tolkien, Requiescat in pace

08-24-2004, 11:46 AM	#6
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,519	The Tricky info on Age... I mean the really tricky stuff about age is you really never know. If you look in the charts of Peoples, the 3 stewards before Denethor did not reach 100, but does that mean if Denethor hadn't of gone crazy he wouldn't of reached 100. No because before that, it would range maybe under 100, to 100, or into the 110's, the first ruling steward Mardil was 120, then we know Faramir is also 120. So it's just really one of those mysteries, sort of why do we have people who are done at 75, but there are those that can live to be 100? The whole think about the half-elven is another tricky concept. The point about Galador and Mithrellas, their children, are in blood "half-elven" but they don't have that half-elven choice of being mortal or immortal. As explained with Earendil and Elwing, Manwe is the one who puts that "choice" on people, it has nothing to do with their lineage. Whether one parent is elven the other is mortal, by blood you could be half-elves, but Manwe puts the "choice" on people, like Earendil and Elwing's sons, Elrond and Elros.