Did the Ring Shrink? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

The Perky Ent · 08-11-2004, 09:54 PM

If this thread already exsist, I truly apologize! Anyways, we all know that hobbits are little people. They're generally around four feet tall and have furry feet. We also all know that men are much bigger than hobbits, without the furry feet. To add to this, Sauron was, in his physical form, bigger than the average man. Now, comparing Sauron to hobbits, there's a big size difference. The entire body is scaled down. Now, if it's true that the entire body of a hobbit is of a smaller scale then that of Sauron, you're ready for my question. How was the ring able to fit Frodo?

When Sauron forged his ring, it was forged for him, and no other. That means, as Sauron is large, the ring would have to be large enough to fit his finger. So, unless Sauron had disformed fingers, I can't understand why Frodo can put the ring on comfortably, while Sauron, who is considerably bigger, can do the same thing!

Is the ring a "one size fits all" item? Or did it shrink while it was in the Gladden River? Of all the theroys, a sort of "backwards diffusion" makes the most sense. It fit Sauron and Isildur, and after a couple hundred years in water, it could have shunk. That explains Deagol, Smeagol, and Frodo. At it's new size, it would have fit a hobbit. So that is my question! Did the ring shrink?

Morsul the Dark · 08-11-2004, 10:00 PM

yes yes it did

and remember in the book it said it would fall loose from a finger where it was just tight

thats how it slipped from isildur's hand

and they show the ring shrinking very nicely in the movie

The Perky Ent · 08-11-2004, 10:06 PM

Did they? I never noticed that effect! I'll have to watch for it. But I always thought the ring would slip because it would abandone it's owner, like it did for Isildur and Gollum. It betrayed them. I don't think it had to do with size!

Morsul the Dark · 08-11-2004, 10:37 PM

watch when isildur picks up the ring

and heres the quote

"it did not seem always of the same size or weight it shrank or expanded in an odd way."

page 46 FOTR 4th paragraph last three lines

The Perky Ent · 08-11-2004, 10:40 PM

Maybe it's because when Sauron lost power, it began shrinking without it's owner. That poses a further question! If Sauron never got the ring, and was defeated, but the ring was never destoryed, would it have shrinked out of exsistance?

Morsul the Dark · 08-11-2004, 10:44 PM

I highly doubt it "at any rate he was too large and heavy for a hobbit" Tom Bombadil...

Bombadil could wear the ring without much trouble getting it on and he was bigger than the hobbits so therefore we can assume the ring grew enough for it to fit on his finger

Oh and another thing if it had grown too small for the big folk to wear why would gandalf have to worry about carrying it he would not be able to wear it

08-11-2004, 09:54 PM	#1
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Did the Ring Shrink? If this thread already exsist, I truly apologize! Anyways, we all know that hobbits are little people. They're generally around four feet tall and have furry feet. We also all know that men are much bigger than hobbits, without the furry feet. To add to this, Sauron was, in his physical form, bigger than the average man. Now, comparing Sauron to hobbits, there's a big size difference. The entire body is scaled down. Now, if it's true that the entire body of a hobbit is of a smaller scale then that of Sauron, you're ready for my question. How was the ring able to fit Frodo? When Sauron forged his ring, it was forged for him, and no other. That means, as Sauron is large, the ring would have to be large enough to fit his finger. So, unless Sauron had disformed fingers, I can't understand why Frodo can put the ring on comfortably, while Sauron, who is considerably bigger, can do the same thing! Is the ring a "one size fits all" item? Or did it shrink while it was in the Gladden River? Of all the theroys, a sort of "backwards diffusion" makes the most sense. It fit Sauron and Isildur, and after a couple hundred years in water, it could have shunk. That explains Deagol, Smeagol, and Frodo. At it's new size, it would have fit a hobbit. So that is my question! Did the ring shrink? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

08-11-2004, 10:00 PM	#2
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	yes yes it did and remember in the book it said it would fall loose from a finger where it was just tight thats how it slipped from isildur's hand and they show the ring shrinking very nicely in the movie __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-11-2004, 10:06 PM	#3
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Did they? I never noticed that effect! I'll have to watch for it. But I always thought the ring would slip because it would abandone it's owner, like it did for Isildur and Gollum. It betrayed them. I don't think it had to do with size! __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

08-11-2004, 10:37 PM	#4
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	watch when isildur picks up the ring and heres the quote "it did not seem always of the same size or weight it shrank or expanded in an odd way." page 46 FOTR 4th paragraph last three lines __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

08-11-2004, 10:40 PM	#5
The Perky Ent Maniacal Mage Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Setting sail for Umbar, with Firefoot at my side! Posts: 3,297	Maybe it's because when Sauron lost power, it began shrinking without it's owner. That poses a further question! If Sauron never got the ring, and was defeated, but the ring was never destoryed, would it have shrinked out of exsistance? __________________ 'But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.'

08-11-2004, 10:44 PM	#6
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	I highly doubt it "at any rate he was too large and heavy for a hobbit" Tom Bombadil... Bombadil could wear the ring without much trouble getting it on and he was bigger than the hobbits so therefore we can assume the ring grew enough for it to fit on his finger Oh and another thing if it had grown too small for the big folk to wear why would gandalf have to worry about carrying it he would not be able to wear it __________________ Morsul the Resurrected