Were there many Gamgees? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

elfwishes999 · 07-27-2004, 10:46 AM

now, at Bilbo's birthday party in the Fellowship, when Bilbo calls out all the hobbits last names (Tooks, Brandybucks, Proudfoots [or Proudfeet] ETC) i didn't hear him call Gamgees and i know that sam was there. did he call gamgee and i miss it?

Morsul the Dark · 07-27-2004, 10:51 AM

in the book he doesn't mention gamgees either nor in the movie I didn't think of it but it is odd.

But as I recall the bagginses and gangees were good friends and I believe the private party was more for those who he wanted to fool and laugh at so out of espect he left the gamgees out of the tent

Boromir88 · 07-27-2004, 10:54 AM

Gamgee's was not a name called out by Bilbo. The only explanation I can come up with is Sam (as well as his dad and other Gamgee's) had been servants of the Bagginses (Bilbo and Frodo). Sam's dad Hamfast was Bilbo's servant, Sam was Frodo's servant. So, just showing that maybe there names weren't "worthy." Frodo saw Sam as a servant in the beginning but later became his best friend. Also, the Gamgee's were a poor family but Bilbo was always kind to them giving them gifts. So I can only say they weren't "worthy" enough to be called out.

Morsul, possibly, but Baggins, Tooks, Brandybucks, Bolgers were all called out and as far as I know Bilbo was friendly to them.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-27-2004, 10:58 AM

It's true that the films made no attempt to show this class divide.

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-27-2004, 11:36 AM

Neither Hamfast nor Sam were present at the Long-Expected Party as it is presented in the book. The guests in the tent were those invited to the special family dinner-party, and the numbers were restricted to twelve dozen. They were:

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selected from all the families to which Bilbo and Frodo were related, with the addition of a few special unrelated friends (such as Gandalf).

I suspect, therefore, that the Gamgees were not as closely related to the Bagginses as those families that were present and that neither Hamfast nor Sam counted as "special unrelated friends", the relationship being (as has been mentioned) one of master and servant (albeit one which involved a great deal of mutual respect).

As Eomer has pointed out, the film does not play on the class divide and so the Gamgees (or Sam at least) were present at the party. The reason that they are not mentioned in Bilbo's speech is, no doubt, because they lifted the speech straight from the book (where no Gamgees were present).

Encaitare · 07-27-2004, 02:00 PM

It's true that the class difference isn't played out that much in the movies, although maybe audiences wouldn't have liked the master and servant relationship as much as two friends sticking together through thick and thin.

Boromir88 · 07-27-2004, 02:03 PM

Encaitare I do agree, I think the master servant relationship would have had a negative effect on the audience.

07-27-2004, 10:46 AM	#1
elfwishes999 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 37	Were there many Gamgees? now, at Bilbo's birthday party in the Fellowship, when Bilbo calls out all the hobbits last names (Tooks, Brandybucks, Proudfoots [or Proudfeet] ETC) i didn't hear him call Gamgees and i know that sam was there. did he call gamgee and i miss it?

07-27-2004, 10:51 AM	#2
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	in the book he doesn't mention gamgees either nor in the movie I didn't think of it but it is odd. But as I recall the bagginses and gangees were good friends and I believe the private party was more for those who he wanted to fool and laugh at so out of espect he left the gamgees out of the tent __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

07-27-2004, 10:54 AM	#3
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	No Gamgee Gamgee's was not a name called out by Bilbo. The only explanation I can come up with is Sam (as well as his dad and other Gamgee's) had been servants of the Bagginses (Bilbo and Frodo). Sam's dad Hamfast was Bilbo's servant, Sam was Frodo's servant. So, just showing that maybe there names weren't "worthy." Frodo saw Sam as a servant in the beginning but later became his best friend. Also, the Gamgee's were a poor family but Bilbo was always kind to them giving them gifts. So I can only say they weren't "worthy" enough to be called out. Morsul, possibly, but Baggins, Tooks, Brandybucks, Bolgers were all called out and as far as I know Bilbo was friendly to them. Last edited by Boromir88; 07-27-2004 at 10:58 AM.

07-27-2004, 10:58 AM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	It's true that the films made no attempt to show this class divide. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-27-2004, 02:03 PM	#7
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	True Encaitare I do agree, I think the master servant relationship would have had a negative effect on the audience.

07-27-2004, 02:00 PM	#6
Encaitare Bittersweet Symphony Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: On the jolly starship Enterprise Posts: 1,814	It's true that the class difference isn't played out that much in the movies, although maybe audiences wouldn't have liked the master and servant relationship as much as two friends sticking together through thick and thin.