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elfwishes999 · 07-11-2004, 08:41 PM

Did anyone else catch how Frodo grew during the trilogy? to me he grew from the little unknown, unadventurous, school-boy hobbit to the hero of middle earth..frodo was once a soft, friendly, almost too- nice- for -comfort hobbit...and then he became the harder, more secret, and more cautious hobbit he was in the third movie.. i also think sam helped frodo to reach the harder character he in the the RotK..

*How do you see Frodo growing? the same as i do? or different??

Noxomanus · 07-12-2004, 03:08 AM

In my opinion,movie-Frodo did only grow in one way....he grew into the weakest and wimpest character of all. Everytime something happened he went unconscious or 'couldn't take it anymore'

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-12-2004, 05:59 AM

Basically, all he did in the movies was fall over, or faint, or come across like an idiot (Gollum's lembas saga).

I don't think he grew at all. Granted, Frodo is not an easy character to build on film, but he was still a disappointment.

elfwishes999 · 07-12-2004, 09:12 AM

frodo may have been weak but you have to remember he was carrying the ring and its powers were taking hold of him.. that and he was injured about 300 times during the trip to mordor and the climb to mount doom...so just because he passed out a few times doesn't mean he was the weakest character!!

Bêthberry · 07-12-2004, 10:37 AM

How much? Not much, given what Jackson and Wood and the script writers had to work with from the books.

He did diminish, though, didn't he, losing a finger.

The Only Real Estel · 07-12-2004, 01:21 PM

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In my opinion,movie-Frodo did only grow in one way....he grew into the weakest and wimpest character of all. Everytime something happened he went unconscious or 'couldn't take it anymore'

Sounds more to me like you're describing the side-affects of carrying the Ring farther & farther into Mordor instead of casting it away & sprinting for home like a weak, wimpy character would do who couldn't take it anymore.

I don't think that Frodo came across as growing a whole lot, you can attribute that to PJ or Wood or Phillipa or Fran, whoever you want, but Frodo seemed to grow stronger only minimully. The character who really growed in the movies was Sam, but that not particularily on topic

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Umwë · 07-12-2004, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Noxomanus

In my opinion,movie-Frodo did only grow in one way....he grew into the weakest and wimpest character of all. Everytime something happened he went unconscious or 'couldn't take it anymore'

Exactly my opinion too, I think he just grew weaker! After all he had the Ring, the Ring was a burden for him to carry.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-12-2004, 05:32 PM

Exactly, most skilled Archer! It came too late in the day. Frodo could really have used some growth in The Two Towers.

Amanaduial the archer · 07-12-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

Exactly, most skilled Archer! It came too late in the day. Frodo could really have used some growth in The Two Towers.

Oh, I don't know about that, Eomer. It could have made it rather more difficult for them to slip past the Watchers later on if he grew any taller...

Umwe - you say you back the idea that Frodo should have been a weak character in the film due to his burden of carrying the ring?

I would actually disagree - the way Frodo came out as so very weak seemed, I thought, to make it less believable that he actually was able to carry the ring: surely if he was so weak he would have broken and given into it? I thought they could have played on his character growing to fight the effects of the ring - the ring must have grown on him with time, to strengthen it's effect, so one would think that he would have to grow accordingly to fight it's effects.

(Also Umwe, apologies for not getting the little dots over the 'e' in your name, I have given up trying to work out how to do them on a laptop - and it's a sort of case of start as you mean to go on)

Umwë · 07-13-2004, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanaduial the archer

Umwe - you say you back the idea that Frodo should have been a weak character in the film due to his burden of carrying the ring?

Yes, he is the weaker character, at least in the Return of the King. And that is because of the Ring. He grew weaker during the movies, from the start to the end. Yet he got braver even though the ring made him weaker both mental and physical. That's my point!

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Originally Posted by Amanaduial the archer

(Also Umwe, apologies for not getting the little dots over the 'e' in your name, I have given up trying to work out how to do them on a laptop - and it's a sort of case of start as you mean to go on)

Hehe

That's allright :P

Nirvana II · 07-12-2004, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by elfwishes999

to me he grew from the little unknown, unadventurous, school-boy hobbit to the hero of middle earth..frodo was once a soft, friendly, almost too- nice- for -comfort hobbit...and then he became the harder, more secret, and more cautious hobbit he was in the third movie..

wouldnt that be considered shrinking? soft, friendly hobbit...to hard, secret, cautious, seems like shrinking to me

Bombadil · 07-12-2004, 02:18 PM

Perhaps I'd call it growth, but I'd rather call it drastic change. One thing I like to do is, when Frodo is in Sam's arms on the slopes of Mount Doom (when they're talking of strawberries and cream) I think back to way in the begnning of Fellowship - to the happy Frodo saying, "It's wonderful to see you Gandalf!" The length of the movies really add to the affect.

I think Peter Jackson did an awesome job showing change- whether it be good, bad, accurate or inaccurate - by showing the sublime Frodo go to one of misery. He hardly smiled past the council of Elrond, and never gave a true smile until the concluision of ROTK. One aspect I really thought showed Frodo's change (and emotional strength) was at the Havens when all the hobbits were crying because they were going to miss their friends. Frodo had to say goodbye to his 3 dearest friends, and didn't shed a tear.

Bêthberry · 07-12-2004, 03:49 PM

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He grew precisely 2.3 cm.

Of hair, Fordim, or of fingernail? Or did you mean height? Do hobbits still, once out of their 'tween, grow taller?

Imladris · 07-12-2004, 04:08 PM

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He grew precisely 2.3 cm.

Or could you possibly mean width?

Amanaduial the archer · 07-12-2004, 04:14 PM

I think great thought went into Frodo's growth throughout the film.

I mean, making the wig suddenly grow so drastically couldn't have happened merely by chance.

07-11-2004, 08:41 PM	#1
elfwishes999 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 37	How much Frodo grew... Did anyone else catch how Frodo grew during the trilogy? to me he grew from the little unknown, unadventurous, school-boy hobbit to the hero of middle earth..frodo was once a soft, friendly, almost too- nice- for -comfort hobbit...and then he became the harder, more secret, and more cautious hobbit he was in the third movie.. i also think sam helped frodo to reach the harder character he in the the RotK.. *How do you see Frodo growing? the same as i do? or different??

07-12-2004, 03:08 AM	#2
Noxomanus Wight Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 233	In my opinion,movie-Frodo did only grow in one way....he grew into the weakest and wimpest character of all. Everytime something happened he went unconscious or 'couldn't take it anymore' __________________ Nothing is evil in the beginning,even Sauron wasn't

07-12-2004, 05:59 AM	#3
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Basically, all he did in the movies was fall over, or faint, or come across like an idiot (Gollum's lembas saga). I don't think he grew at all. Granted, Frodo is not an easy character to build on film, but he was still a disappointment. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-12-2004, 09:12 AM	#4
elfwishes999 Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 37	yea but... frodo may have been weak but you have to remember he was carrying the ring and its powers were taking hold of him.. that and he was injured about 300 times during the trip to mordor and the climb to mount doom...so just because he passed out a few times doesn't mean he was the weakest character!!

07-12-2004, 05:32 PM	#8
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Exactly, most skilled Archer! It came too late in the day. Frodo could really have used some growth in The Two Towers. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-12-2004, 10:37 AM	#5
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,996	How much? Not much, given what Jackson and Wood and the script writers had to work with from the books. He did diminish, though, didn't he, losing a finger.

07-12-2004, 02:18 PM	#12
Bombadil Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Old Forest Posts: 488	Perhaps I'd call it growth, but I'd rather call it drastic change. One thing I like to do is, when Frodo is in Sam's arms on the slopes of Mount Doom (when they're talking of strawberries and cream) I think back to way in the begnning of Fellowship - to the happy Frodo saying, "It's wonderful to see you Gandalf!" The length of the movies really add to the affect. I think Peter Jackson did an awesome job showing change- whether it be good, bad, accurate or inaccurate - by showing the sublime Frodo go to one of misery. He hardly smiled past the council of Elrond, and never gave a true smile until the concluision of ROTK. One aspect I really thought showed Frodo's change (and emotional strength) was at the Havens when all the hobbits were crying because they were going to miss their friends. Frodo had to say goodbye to his 3 dearest friends, and didn't shed a tear. __________________ "'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"

07-12-2004, 04:14 PM	#15
Amanaduial the archer Shadow of Starlight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: dancing among the ledgerlines... Posts: 2,347	I think great thought went into Frodo's growth throughout the film. I mean, making the wig suddenly grow so drastically couldn't have happened merely by chance. __________________ I am what I was, a harmless little devil