Maiar Spirits' Bodily Forms - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elwe Singollo · 06-06-2004, 03:32 PM

Can Maiar spirits have more than one bodily form. When I say this I don't mean like differnent races or animals, but if its bodliy form is killed or destroyed can they create a new one automatically?

Legolas · 06-06-2004, 04:03 PM

First, this has nothing to do with the creature being a "Maia" - the same will apply to Valar. "Maiar" and "Valar" are job descriptions, not races.

For all of the Ainur: Yes, in general. This does not apply to the wizards (in their time as wizards), Sauron, the balrogs, or Morgoth. In the case of the evil Ainur listed, they become tied to their physical body; in the case of the Istari, they agreed to become tied to their physical body. You should try reading the beginning of The Silmarillion. Ainur are not tied to physical bodies - they are (like you refer to them as) spirits, and can come in and out of physical shape as they wish.

Son of Númenor · 06-06-2004, 04:18 PM

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You should try reading the beginning of The Silmarillion.

Or the whole thing! It's great!

One more thing to add: the Ainur who were capable of changing 'forms' generally did
so based on their mood, & chose their usual forms based on their individual dispositions (hence the fact that some Ainur are 'female' & some are 'male' - based on qualities generally associated with one gender or the other).

Elwe Singollo · 06-07-2004, 04:18 AM

I've read all of the Silmarillion except the Akallbeth or however its spelt. It just wasn't very clear to me.

Lachwen · 06-08-2004, 04:26 PM

Actually, that subject pops up in the Akallabêth; when Sauron is taken to Númenor, he appeared to them in "fair visage," but after the destruction of Númenor (and Sauron's body with it), it is said: "But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home. There he took up again his great Ring in Barad-dûr, and dwelt there, dark and silent, until he wrought himself a new guise, an image of malice and hatered made visible; and the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure."

06-06-2004, 03:32 PM	#1
Elwe Singollo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2004 Location: Deep in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 88	Maiar Spirits' Bodily Forms Can Maiar spirits have more than one bodily form. When I say this I don't mean like differnent races or animals, but if its bodliy form is killed or destroyed can they create a new one automatically? __________________ "Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the mountains." - The Doom of Mandos

06-06-2004, 04:03 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	First, this has nothing to do with the creature being a "Maia" - the same will apply to Valar. "Maiar" and "Valar" are job descriptions, not races. For all of the Ainur: Yes, in general. This does not apply to the wizards (in their time as wizards), Sauron, the balrogs, or Morgoth. In the case of the evil Ainur listed, they become tied to their physical body; in the case of the Istari, they agreed to become tied to their physical body. You should try reading the beginning of The Silmarillion. Ainur are not tied to physical bodies - they are (like you refer to them as) spirits, and can come in and out of physical shape as they wish. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

06-07-2004, 04:18 AM	#4
Elwe Singollo Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2004 Location: Deep in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 88	I've read all of the Silmarillion except the Akallbeth or however its spelt. It just wasn't very clear to me. __________________ "Tears unnumbered ye shall shed; and the Valar will fence Valinor against you, and shut you out, so that not even the echo of your lamentation shall pass over the mountains." - The Doom of Mandos

06-08-2004, 04:26 PM	#5
Lachwen Wight Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Greenwood the Great. Posts: 115	Actually, that subject pops up in the Akallabêth; when Sauron is taken to Númenor, he appeared to them in "fair visage," but after the destruction of Númenor (and Sauron's body with it), it is said: "But Sauron was not of mortal flesh, and though he was robbed now of that shape in which he had wrought so great an evil, so that he could never again appear fair to the eyes of Men, yet his spirit arose out of the deep and passed as a shadow and a black wind over the sea, and came back to Middle-earth and to Mordor that was his home. There he took up again his great Ring in Barad-dûr, and dwelt there, dark and silent, until he wrought himself a new guise, an image of malice and hatered made visible; and the Eye of Sauron the Terrible few could endure." __________________ "'...Home is the sailor, home from the sea, And the hunter home from the hill.'"