are there she orcs?? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

rutslegolas · 05-04-2004, 07:33 AM

i have read the lotr many times but i havent found Tolkein mentioning she orcs

and if there arent any then how do orcs multiply??

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 05-04-2004, 08:41 AM

Try the search engine. There are a few good threads on that subject.

The Only Real Estel · 05-04-2004, 02:36 PM

Half of the obvious answer would be that Sauron only tortured elves to make them in the beginning, & the other half would be that Sauron bred them using his power, I'm sure he didn't need an 'help'. But some really interesting opinions have probably been brought up in one or all of the threads that Eomer mentioned, so try there...

p.s. i love the way we're calling them she orcs, i guess the 'she elf' trend that the movies started has caught on

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Lord of Angmar · 05-04-2004, 05:52 PM

It seems to me (and I have not really read any threads concering orkish reproduction), that all Children of Iluvatar have the power to bear offspring, and although orcs may be corrupted Children of Iluvatar, they are his Children nonetheless. Since I see no other logical explanation for how orcs "multiplied" at all the times throughout M-E history when Tolkien said they did, I think it is safe to assume that they reproduced sexually.

***Sharkû*** · 05-05-2004, 06:37 AM

Better yet, try our archive index.
You're right, Tolkien never mentioned female orcs, but there's enough speculation and implication about the matter. But I guess that's non-canonical (non-published), so I shouldn't even have mentioned it.

Olorin_TLA · 05-05-2004, 08:15 AM

Well considering Tolkien says Orks bred just like Men and Elves, I think it's a gurarantee that there are women Orks. They probably look as ugly as the men though.

(PS: Tolkien used She-Elf first

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ninja91 · 05-30-2006, 08:31 AM

Interesting thread, but I would rather not think about multiplying orcs. Ick!

05-04-2004, 07:33 AM	#1
rutslegolas Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In Elven Lands of India Posts: 533	are there she orcs?? i have read the lotr many times but i havent found Tolkein mentioning she orcs and if there arent any then how do orcs multiply?? __________________ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with the bull - The Phantom.

05-04-2004, 08:41 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Try the search engine. There are a few good threads on that subject. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

05-04-2004, 05:52 PM	#4
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	It seems to me (and I have not really read any threads concering orkish reproduction), that all Children of Iluvatar have the power to bear offspring, and although orcs may be corrupted Children of Iluvatar, they are his Children nonetheless. Since I see no other logical explanation for how orcs "multiplied" at all the times throughout M-E history when Tolkien said they did, I think it is safe to assume that they reproduced sexually. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

05-05-2004, 08:15 AM	#6
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Well considering Tolkien says Orks bred just like Men and Elves, I think it's a gurarantee that there are women Orks. They probably look as ugly as the men though. (PS: Tolkien used She-Elf first ) __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

05-04-2004, 02:36 PM	#3
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Half of the obvious answer would be that Sauron only tortured elves to make them in the beginning, & the other half would be that Sauron bred them using his power, I'm sure he didn't need an 'help'. But some really interesting opinions have probably been brought up in one or all of the threads that Eomer mentioned, so try there... p.s. i love the way we're calling them she orcs, i guess the 'she elf' trend that the movies started has caught on .

05-05-2004, 06:37 AM	#5
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Better yet, try our archive index. You're right, Tolkien never mentioned female orcs, but there's enough speculation and implication about the matter. But I guess that's non-canonical (non-published), so I shouldn't even have mentioned it.