What's he do'n...think'n?? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elvish Archer · 10-23-2003, 11:20 PM

Allow me to set the scene for you. Fellowship has just escaped not only the attack in the Tomb of Balin but has just been surrounded by squawking orcs. Suddenly, there is a mad dash for any exit and Gimli is feeling like he's hot stuff... You should get the picture by now. After Boromir asks Gandalf his question, what is Gandalf doing? If'd it'd been me, I'd've been book'n it out of there as soon as the orcs were clear. But he pauses a moment, explains and then says to run. Is this an embelishment on the part of PJ? Does Mcellen forget his line?

HCIsland · 10-24-2003, 12:03 PM

It is an embellishment and obviously no, McKellen didn't forget his line. This whole scene doesn't happen in the book. As for why the pause, it's called dramatic effect.H.C.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-24-2003, 08:14 PM

Really, I am beginning to find it quite astounding the lengths that people will go to to find faults in these films. There are a number of well-documented bloopers (Legolas saying that the Orcs are headed north-east to Isengard springs to mind). But a lot of the points that are being brought up in this forum now are of very little consequence. As HC says, this one is just a dramatic pause.

Knight of Gondor · 10-24-2003, 09:49 PM

Saucepan, man, chill out! Some people just enjoy poking fun at movies. And that's not even what's going on here. If you really want to get mad, go check out the hundreds of mistakes listed for these movies at <A HREF="http://www.movie-mistakes.com." TARGET=_blank>www.movie-mistakes.com.</A> Meantime, I would guess in Gandalf's weariness he is just pausing to take in the utter irony of it all. "Great. We beat up the orcs, escape the Watcher, kill that dumb troll, and I'm dang TIRED. Now this stupid Balrog's gonna come and ruin a great escape. Wouldn't you know I'm the only member of the Istari within shouting distance. I am REALLY not having a good day."

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-24-2003, 09:57 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Saucepan, man, chill out! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh I'm chilled, believe me. But I remain astounded.

Lord of Angmar · 10-24-2003, 10:29 PM

I agree with your initial post, Saucepan. Obviously Sir Ian McKellen would not forget such a crucial line, nor would Peter Jackson print a take of the scene in which he did (PJ did multiple takes of almost every scene, and this was certainly an important one). Obviously Gandalf was extremely alarmed, and had come to a grim realization of the situation, hence the pause. It is one thing to constructively criticize, but this (as well as several other topics) is a stretch whose discussion only detracts from the viewing experience.

Jack · 10-25-2003, 02:24 PM

I agree with The Saucepan Man! But it is fun to read people raveing over stuff like this... I have done it myself!

Angadraug · 10-25-2003, 11:13 PM

I always thought that when Gandalf paused he was searching his vast mind for what it could be that had spooked the orcs into running away from them. Once he centered on it then he told them to run.

Liriodendron · 10-26-2003, 08:33 AM

Yes, he suddenly senses a new evil presence, and is taking a moment to confirm what his memory is suggesting. Ominous, dramatic, cool!

Silmiel of Imladris · 10-26-2003, 02:36 PM

I agree that PJ wanted to add a dramatic effect but I also think it shows the first reaction to fear in humans and elves. When one sees something that scares them so much they offen can't move. This scene is not the only one is the movie that demostrates this. At the last alliance when Elrond first sees Sauron he can't move either from fear or overall shock. Now I know we want to believe that these legends fear nothing but everyone has fears.

Elvish Archer · 10-26-2003, 11:47 PM

As Knight of Gondor correctly guessed, I am one of those people who love to find things like this and bring it to the surface. A smackdown or good debate usually follows, someimes both. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Meantime, I would guess in Gandalf's weariness he is just pausing to take in the utter irony of it all. "Great. We beat up the orcs, escape the Watcher, kill that dumb troll, and I'm dang TIRED. Now this stupid Balrog's gonna come and ruin a great escape. Wouldn't you know I'm the only member of the Istari within shouting distance. I am REALLY not having a good day." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I second that.

Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 · 10-27-2003, 05:35 AM

I thought it was a shame Legolas didn't identify the Balrog. PJ gave him all this stuff to do which was not in the book, and yet neglects to give him what little parts he has!

10-23-2003, 11:20 PM	#1
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	What's he do'n...think'n?? Allow me to set the scene for you. Fellowship has just escaped not only the attack in the Tomb of Balin but has just been surrounded by squawking orcs. Suddenly, there is a mad dash for any exit and Gimli is feeling like he's hot stuff... You should get the picture by now. <BR> After Boromir asks Gandalf his question, what is Gandalf doing? If'd it'd been me, I'd've been book'n it out of there as soon as the orcs were clear. But he pauses a moment, explains and then says to run. Is this an embelishment on the part of PJ? Does Mcellen forget his line? __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

10-24-2003, 12:03 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	It is an embellishment and obviously no, McKellen didn't forget his line. This whole scene doesn't happen in the book. As for why the pause, it's called dramatic effect.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-24-2003, 08:14 PM	#3
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Really, I am beginning to find it quite astounding the lengths that people will go to to find faults in these films. There are a number of well-documented bloopers (Legolas saying that the Orcs are headed north-east to Isengard springs to mind). But a lot of the points that are being brought up in this forum now are of very little consequence. As HC says, this one is just a dramatic pause. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-24-2003, 09:49 PM	#4
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Saucepan, man, chill out! Some people just enjoy poking fun at movies. And that's not even what's going on here. If you really want to get mad, go check out the hundreds of mistakes listed for these movies at <A HREF="http://www.movie-mistakes.com." TARGET=_blank>www.movie-mistakes.com.</A> <P>Meantime, I would guess in Gandalf's weariness he is just pausing to take in the utter irony of it all. "Great. We beat up the orcs, escape the Watcher, kill that dumb troll, and I'm dang TIRED. Now this stupid Balrog's gonna come and ruin a great escape. Wouldn't you know I'm the only member of the Istari within shouting distance. I am REALLY not having a good day." __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

10-24-2003, 09:57 PM	#5
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Saucepan, man, chill out! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh I'm chilled, believe me. But I remain astounded. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

10-24-2003, 10:29 PM	#6
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	I agree with your initial post, Saucepan. Obviously Sir Ian McKellen would not forget such a crucial line, nor would Peter Jackson print a take of the scene in which he did (PJ did multiple takes of almost every scene, and this was certainly an important one). Obviously Gandalf was extremely alarmed, and had come to a grim realization of the situation, hence the pause. It is one thing to constructively criticize, but this (as well as several other topics) is a stretch whose discussion only detracts from the viewing experience. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

10-25-2003, 02:24 PM	#7
Jack Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rohan or some where there abouts (probably lost!) Posts: 92	I agree with The Saucepan Man! But it is fun to read people raveing over stuff like this... I have done it myself! __________________ I have been: eating sugar, drinking caffeinated soda, doing the wave, the disco and various other dances just as, if not more humiliating, and all in all, acting like the deranged Pirate that I am…

10-25-2003, 11:13 PM	#8
Angadraug Animated Skeleton Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 44	I always thought that when Gandalf paused he was searching his vast mind for what it could be that had spooked the orcs into running away from them. Once he centered on it then he told them to run.

10-26-2003, 08:33 AM	#9
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Yes, he suddenly senses a new evil presence, and is taking a moment to confirm what his memory is suggesting. Ominous, dramatic, cool! __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

10-26-2003, 02:36 PM	#10
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I agree that PJ wanted to add a dramatic effect but I also think it shows the first reaction to fear in humans and elves. When one sees something that scares them so much they offen can't move. This scene is not the only one is the movie that demostrates this. At the last alliance when Elrond first sees Sauron he can't move either from fear or overall shock. Now I know we want to believe that these legends fear nothing but everyone has fears. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

10-26-2003, 11:47 PM	#11
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	As Knight of Gondor correctly guessed, I am one of those people who love to find things like this and bring it to the surface. A smackdown or good debate usually follows, someimes both. <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Meantime, I would guess in Gandalf's weariness he is just pausing to take in the utter irony of it all. "Great. We beat up the orcs, escape the Watcher, kill that dumb troll, and I'm dang TIRED. Now this stupid Balrog's gonna come and ruin a great escape. Wouldn't you know I'm the only member of the Istari within shouting distance. I am REALLY not having a good day." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I second that. __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

10-27-2003, 05:35 AM	#12
Elentári_O_Most_Mighty_1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon...or England Posts: 364	I thought it was a shame Legolas didn't identify the Balrog. PJ gave him all this stuff to do which was not in the book, and yet neglects to give him what little parts he has! __________________ '"Forweg can lead you no longer; for he is dead...I slew him...I will govern this fellowship now, or leave it." "As it was when he joined us, so it is again. He kills to make room."'