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08-01-2002, 02:40 PM | #1 |
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ungoliant
is this the most disgusting, bloated, vile creation in all of Tolkeins work? there is not one redeaming quality this voracious glutton she has no special might or conviction no aspect of higher dark plotting or purpose she exits as what seems a semi sensient thing devoted wholly to the consumtion of light ... and thats all in my mind truly a monster ... I mean does anyone even use Ungoliant as the log on name ? if the do i'd be suprised
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08-01-2002, 02:43 PM | #2 |
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Ungoliant is wonderful. She provides a perfect example of pure, unadulted glutany. She is bad but not evil. She has no goals other than feed herself (and possabily have children). She has great power, but she does not desire domination over people as Melkor does, and she does not want a kindom unless it has food in it. She also attacked Morgoth and nearly won if it was not for he Balrogs. Personelly i love her totally, and would gladly have her spidery children.
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08-01-2002, 02:45 PM | #3 |
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Perhaps so, but does that not make the chracter/creation (however you percieve it) more worthwhile? The lack of qualities within makes you think more about purpose rather than point.
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08-01-2002, 03:02 PM | #4 | |
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08-01-2002, 03:09 PM | #5 |
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"Dude", be careful. You're beginning to sound like Saulotus. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Welcome to the Barrow-Downs kingangmar! While she became "mighty", she acheived her strength only after consuming the sap of the Two Trees and devouring the gems of the Noldor. Before that, she had some degree of power but nothing comparable to Morgoth.
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08-01-2002, 03:13 PM | #6 |
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Still, based on her apparent potential, I maintain that her spirit must have been on par with your average Vala in its beginning.
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08-01-2002, 03:16 PM | #7 |
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i dont think so obloquy. im willing to bet if melkor was a huge *** spider and ate hallowed jewels and especially the sap of the trees he'd be much stronger.
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08-01-2002, 03:49 PM | #8 | |
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08-01-2002, 04:33 PM | #9 |
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Personally, I like Ungoliant better than Morgoth or Sauron or even Saruman. They knew and acknowledged the 'good' side, and turned away from it anyway for their own gain. As for Ungoliant, it seems to me that she never knew or cared about the 'good' side. She was just hungry, and not especially malicious. It was Morgoth who wanted to destroy the Two Trees in order to spite the Valar, and she just took up the opportunity.
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08-01-2002, 04:45 PM | #10 |
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it's really not a matter of like or dislike for me.....unless you consider the fact that i'm not overly fond of spiders to begin with.....
but does anyone hate any beast for being mindless in its pursuit of nourishment? ungoliant played her role in the plot as she should have and i doubt a furry squirrel would've had the wanted effect.... as to the question of wether she had any special might...ummmm, i don't know.....but you face her down and tell me..... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
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08-01-2002, 04:59 PM | #11 |
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i have always sided with the sinister forces in tolkeins mythos they have the inspiration the motives the drives the ambitions even consider Feanor in many ways he also displayed the selfish and corrupt attitudes of Morgoth and his ilk though they were supposed hated enemys they shared many simmilar traits ... the point being in depth personalitys strugles strivins conflicts wars...Ungoliant is but a passing part of the overall storyline to provide an early times villian to whom can bbe attributted a great woe that must surely then pass into the annals of history never again to play any prominent role in the historys of the valar elves or man ( save the inclusion of her distant ofspring shelob in the account of the passage of the ring into mordor )
no ...she is an architype and not much more ..although i must admidt nothing attributted to the writing of tolkein can be called "not much more" |
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08-01-2002, 05:38 PM | #13 | |
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throughout tolkien's work there are many characters i would love to see with more of a story, more motivation, more of tolkien's attention..... sadly enough, the vastness of his creation doesn't allow to go into equal depth with every introduced character... if only tolkien had had a lifespan such as elros was "blessed" with....but i doubt even in that time tolkien could have quenched the thirst of his true fans...... [ August 01, 2002: Message edited by: twinkle ]
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08-04-2002, 04:27 PM | #14 |
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Hmm. It is told briefly that Earendil met, fought and slayed Ungoliant. And i dont think this is actually disproved anywhere in the later works. So could it have happened and just been one of Earendil's adventures of which only a rumour came back to ME?
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08-04-2002, 04:42 PM | #15 |
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Galorme, where does it say that?
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08-04-2002, 05:40 PM | #16 |
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ive never heard that once and ime reading unfinished tales and the silmarillion for the third time.
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08-04-2002, 06:03 PM | #17 |
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I've read them too, but aren't there some stories or something about the adventures of Earendil?
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It says it in a short passage in The Lost Road ::gets book and puts on reading spectacles::
There are a few cryptic clues to what adventures, and horrors our Mariner goes through. Quote:
A sentance in an outline for the end of the (unfinished, alas) Tale of Earendel says (very, very mysteriously) Quote:
::desperatly drags conversation back to Ungoliant:: So Ungoliant could well have been killed by Earendel, or at least faced him and lost (though i supose he could have escaped). Unless someone can show me a quote that he did not then i will carry on believing it. Then again i do not think Tolkien knew anymore about her fate than we do from these scetches and legends in the BoLT.
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