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08-21-2003, 09:07 AM | #1 |
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Bilbo's and Frodo's birthday
When do most people celebrate Bilbo's and Frodo's birthday? I think it would be September 23 on the modern calendar.
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08-21-2003, 01:29 PM | #2 |
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Are you sure it is not the 21st? That's what I always thought it was.
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08-21-2003, 01:34 PM | #3 |
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actually, it's the 22nd of September. right in the middle of your guesses, lol. There was also a large "hippy movement" in England when The Lord Of The Rings was released, and there was a lot of graffiti saying that "FRODO LIVES". some of it's still there today [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] great to walk past it in London.
p.s. Welcome to the barrowdowns Aratharmaion [ August 21, 2003: Message edited by: Morgoth the Great ]
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08-21-2003, 02:14 PM | #4 | |
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The date of that joint birthday can be found on the first page of Chapter I in The Lord of the Rings. Surely it wouldn't be too arduous to look it up.
[EDIT] I was, of course, completely ignoring Appendix D to The Lord of the Rings. It's probably worth going into some detail on the matter it covers, since its contents make sense of this thread. Tolkien 'translated' the Westron names of the various Shire months into those of our own calendar but left the dates unchanged. He says of the correspondance Quote:
1 Afteryule = 24 December 1 Solmath = 23 January 1 Rethe = 21 February 1 Astron = 23 March 1 Thrimidge = 22 April 1 Forelithe = 22 May 1 Afterlithe = 23 June (allowing for the two Lithes but not an Overlithe) 1 Wedmath = 23 July 1 Halimath = 22 August 1 Winterfilth = 21 September 1 Blotmath = 21 October 1 Foreyule = 20 November However, in order for this to be in any way accurate one would have to allow both for our own leap years and the Shire Overlithes, each in their proper places. In the above typical year, though, the Birthday would fall on September the twelfth. I wouldn't be celebrating it then, though, because I only celebrate actual events. [ August 25, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]
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10-03-2003, 04:18 PM | #5 |
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I usuallt celebrate it on September 22, but this year i noticed that the Barrowdown's middle earth date on the main page had their birthday on September 13th
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10-04-2003, 03:24 AM | #6 |
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Interesting...so (off topic, sorry) is it 'wrong' to celebrate M-E's new year on 25th March? This gets confusing.
And why does it then say in FotR that the birthday of Bilbo and Frodo was 21st September when it's actually 13th (right?)?
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10-04-2003, 09:39 AM | #7 |
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If it says in FotR that their birthday is September 22, wouldn't that be when it is? Why do we need to figure out when it is, if it plainly says it in the book?
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10-04-2003, 10:32 AM | #8 |
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Tolkien's use of Septmeber and other months was simply a modernization of the ancient Shire Calendar, which of course would not have had the same month names as us. In fact, they had a different system for dividing their year, which is described quite nicely in Appendice D of the Lord of the Rings.
As Squatter said, our modern 1 Jan would match up with the 9th day of the Shire's first month. Calculating through the year, you get 14 September on regular years and 13 September on Leap Years. (Note: I still had this year set as a leap year until recently, so the site mistaken reported 13 September as the birthday day this year - Sorry. BW) To somplify things, when JRRT said their birthdays fell on 22 September, he really was saying their birthdays were on the 22nd day of thier 9th month - the 257th day of their year. The 257th day of our year was 14 September. I hope that clears it up a bit. JRRT took the time to publish Appendice D, so I'm sure he would like us all to understand it.
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10-04-2003, 10:35 AM | #9 |
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I just finished re-reading RotK yesterday, and am now slowly working my way through the appendices, so I'll get to that and hopefully understand it this time!
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10-04-2003, 11:32 AM | #10 | |
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09-22-2005, 02:00 AM | #11 | |
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Anyway, regardless of Shire calendars and all that, 22nd September is the most logical day to celebrate the birthdays, so Hurrah for today! |
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09-22-2005, 06:48 AM | #12 |
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My classmates were pulling a bit of "oh dear"-faces, when they saw Bilbo's and Frodo's birthday marked in my calendar... And they were absolutely out when they saw my "new year" in 25th March... Sometimes people who are not LotR-fans might be really funny ... I suppose they think I'm a bit strange
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRODO AND BILBO!
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09-22-2005, 06:48 AM | #13 |
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Hip hip hurray!!
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09-22-2005, 06:38 PM | #14 |
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A very happy birthday to two very awesome hobbits. It certainly merited a little skipping about in happiness when I remembered what today was during lunch.
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09-22-2005, 06:42 PM | #15 |
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Happy Birthday to Frodo and Bilbo! I must admit that I forgot what day today was until I looked at this thread.
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10-04-2003, 12:30 PM | #16 |
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As an American, I come from a long tradition of not celebrating things on the days they actually happened. Too inconvenient, yes? Holidays must always fall next to the weekend so as to disrupt the bloody work week as little as possible. I find this irritating in principle, but it is infuriatingly pragmatic. So, I have no problems with celebrating Bilbo and Frodo's birthday on the "wrong" day. The important thing is to celebrate it, and I do--on September 22. Or the 21st, this year, because the 22nd was inconvienent. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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09-22-2004, 10:01 AM | #17 |
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Well, now, today is the 22 of September. And what does that remind me of?
Carorëiel, I agree with you. I am 'celebrating' today; much more after the manner of 1418 than Bilbo's 111th, but still.
Cheers.
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09-22-2004, 10:16 AM | #18 |
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Pints on me! :D
Thanks a lot for the reminder.
Happy birthday to our two adventurous hobbits! So...is anybody setting on an overdue quest today?
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09-22-2004, 11:33 AM | #19 |
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They are perfoming the LOTR symphony (amamgamated movie music, I believe) in London tonight to celebrate the birthdays......
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09-22-2004, 11:38 AM | #20 |
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Why! I didn't even THINK about that. Silly me. And I have the MP3s right here!
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09-22-2008, 02:59 PM | #21 |
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Another year, another anniversary...
So happy birthday to Master Bilbo and Master Frodo
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09-21-2009, 03:19 PM | #22 |
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Funny how nobody posted in here for a whole year...
Well, another bump then I suppose - it's already 22nd down here, and several hours off for majority of members I imagine Nice of them to have been born on this very day of autumn, if only for our entertainment (apart from education, moral and otherwise, ethics and general outlook, whatever)
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09-21-2009, 03:36 PM | #23 |
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Oh, that's funny. I have been thinking that I should not miss acknowledging it this autumn, apparently I did so by half an hour - but the funny thing is, if I was home, it would still be about half an hour until the 22nd, so actually...
Well, happy birthday to the Bagginses! It's nice, anyway, isn't it? I think they could not have been born in a better date. This day is suddenly made far more interesting anyway. I doubt anybody has it as their national holiday. Though somebody should perhaps start making these daily planners with this day marked there among other national holidays (and maybe with the 25th of March or something, too).
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09-22-2009, 02:56 AM | #24 |
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To Bilbo and Frodo!
Drat it; I missed my chance. I should have flown out to Oxonmoot today instead of tomorrow.
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09-22-2009, 12:57 PM | #25 |
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Happy birthday Bilbo and Frodo!
They made me smile today at work for every single time I wrote the date (probably around a hundred times) I thought it's their birthday.
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09-24-2009, 06:23 PM | #26 |
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For me since the book says the 22nd that's when I celebrate - with a quite feast then setting out the following night for Bree.
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09-22-2009, 03:01 AM | #27 |
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I don't celebrate Bilbo's and Frodo's birthday in September, 13th or 22nd.
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09-22-2010, 04:23 AM | #28 |
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Happy birthday Bilbo and Frodo dear! May the hair on your toes never fall out!
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09-22-2010, 09:47 AM | #29 |
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Happy birthday to Bilbo and Frodo!
No surprise I had a very good day at work (I work at fundraising and I'm supposed to get people donate 20e/month more every day but today I got 34e/month more - celebration!) it must have been because of the special date.
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