Tol-in-Guarhoth CIX - Ten Year Anniversary Game: Dead Thread

[Kuruharan]

POST GAME EDIT: Living Thread, Agan's Memorable Post List

First off, GAH, I forgot to put the number in the title of the Living Thread.

Bad me!

Second...

This is the Dead Thread for the Tenth Anniversary Barrow Downs Werewolf Game.

If you are a Living Player, you cannot come in the way is shut. Reading further constitutes cheating.

If you are dead, the doors open for you and in you go like it or not.








































































Welcome.

Dead players may read this entire thread and continue to read the main game thread. You may, however, only post here. You may post here NIGHT and DAY. By DAY, after there are three residents here, you may vote for a Living Player to be given a double vote for that DAY's lynch. The Living Player will not know of this until after the fact, but it will be clearly stated in the post-DAY narration who had their vote doubled.

Every NIGHT after there are three residents here you may vote for me to reveal the alignment of one dead player which I will state as PREDATOR or PREY.

The deadline is 10PM US Eastern.

Participation is optional.

As in the Living Thread, ties result in nothing happening.

And...if you ARE still alive, stop it. You will live in shame for the rest of your days if you cheat and you know it!

The Dead
many names will be here soon

[Kuruharan]

A sudden stirring in the mist.

A light appeared.

The place had a resident.

A bit lonely, but there is some equipment and materials over there in the corner. You might as well redeem the time and make a little place for yourself while you wait for others to join you.

There is also cake.

You can be sure that others will join you.

Either way, you may speak or be silent as you wish...starting...NOW!

*POOF*

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
Gwathagor
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Aganzir
Nerwen
Rune Son of Bjarne
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
the phantom
Mithalwen
A Little Green
Kath

[Nogrod]

Cosy... and the cake is good, thank you - but a bit lonely indeed. Well, that's going to be mended pretty soon.

Two things: not because they are super-important but because, well because I can post to this thread.

It's interesting to see this game never changes. So if you are a) a vocal player and b) you are of some mind on any issue (aka. most people know that you play in the first place and what you think in general) then the chances that you get lynched on D1 will be very high.

But as lynching doesn't mean getting kicked out of the game this time, I'm pretty happy with it. In this thread it is at least possible to play as we have at least some information unlike the Living thread were they'll basically be shooting in the dark all the time (unless they receive visitors).

Secondly I'd like to see the faces of those innocents who backed an organized voting of sorts (were there any innocents involved, is another question?) when they see how smoothly all went in the end with the last minute cacophony.

There are too many moving pieces for any village to orchestrate a voting - unless there is a believable seer dream or the number of villagers vs. the number of roles known -ratio is good enough (in a small enough setting of course - not with 20+ players, ever).


Okay. I'm probably getting company at an hour I'm still sleeping so I'll probably post something later before I go to sleep just for you other dead to think about.

[Kuruharan]

Just as a note: Results of the NIGHTly alignment vote will be posted immediately so that the Dead will have that alignment information in hand for the next DAY.

Originally Posted by Nogrod

It's interesting to see this game never changes.

DAY 1 is often pretty crazy toward the end.

Hopefully this game will also have some pretty crazy days left to come.

[Nogrod]

So here’s my two cents on some general issues we’d need to tackle on this first Day here together. Basically I think we have two issues: whom of us to check during the Night to come and whom to give the double-vote by Day and on which grounds – and what kind of problems there will be to make the double-vote significant in a benefical way. I would call the tasks “gathering information” and “influencing the game”.


Gathering information

With the best/worst case scenario there will be three people entering the afterworld during every Day-Night –cycle – in which time we are able to check the alignment of just one. So we will be actually knowing very little indeed. I mean even if there’d be Days with no lynch or if one Night-kill would fail to happen it will take only a few D-N –cycles when we have a situation where we only know the identities of let’s say 3 in comparison to 9 unknowns. It is not so good I kind of hoped for (yeah I really hadn’t too much time to check the rules that well before the game started).

But whom to check then with our precious few opportunities to do that?

Obviously we should pay heed to which solid knowledge could help the village the most if / when someone comes here to pay a visit and will resurrect back to the Living to share the news.

Also if someone has acted very suspiciously in the Living Thread (or is the phantom) or we have other strong reasons to believe someone is a wolf (like s/he acts suspiciously here) that person should be our number one candidate for checking.

But what if we don’t have a clear candidate – or don’t agree on one (in the end we’ll vote, of course)? Are there any other grounds for choosing the person whose alignment to reveal? I mean that might be something we need to ponder now early in the game – unless we get enough controversial people here…

Just looking a bare numbers one might think the lynched are slightly more probably wolves than the Night kills so checking them would be more benefical. Then again the wolves can sway the lynch-vote (which I think could have happened on D1), especially in this game where there are no evident traces left from any last minute mate-saving efforts. So the wolves seem to be better in saving their mates from lynching this time which would mean the Night kills would be the more probable source of wolves pouring in here?

It’s hard to say. I kind of hoped this thinking would have led me into some decent advice we could take when in doubt – but sadly it doesn ‘t seem to be that way.


Influencing the game

After reading the rules more carefully I found another setback here (the other being that we don’t know so much I thought, discussed above). Our ability to influnce the vote is more or less random – and in no way have we control over what happens in the lynching of the Living Thread unless by chance as the last minute frenzy might turn the voting to whichever direction – and later on when we have more people here the same frenzy will spread to this thread as well.

It will come as no suprise to you I didn’t like the phantom’s grand plan on D1 and even if I do admit it has some merit in principle (as a nice thought-experiment) it is in no way executable (the suggestion can be found from #34). First of all it is questionable we get that kind of a nice setting where we can pick from three different person from both sides of the lynchees with an unanimous understanding of the way the Living will interpret it. Secondly the last minute mayhem will prove a problem here as well as the majority of the votes could be coming in at the last minutes and there might just not be time to elaborate the “rules of interpretation” not to say being able to execute the correct vote from this thread.

So I’d say we try – at least on the early days – to just give an extra vote to someone who is voting for someone we think is more probably a wolf than not. It would be a nice bonus if there would be someone we think of as a particularly innocent voting that person we suspect and give our extra-vote to her/him to kind of show whom we tend to trust that person (later on we might actually have some real reasons to trust someone or suspect someone – reasons the living don’t have).


~*~

I do not like to try and set anything in stone or make rules to ourselves as the game can surprise and we can’t foresee all the situations that will emerge – but I hope these thoughts could serve as the beginning of our discussion on D2 when we have to decide whom to give the extra vote – and N3 when we need to select one of us to be revealed.

A few Days and Nights from now the situation might be something we can’t even imagine now it being.

Btw. as an European (although an European on semi-vacation) I am not able to hang out around the DL (the DL is 5am here), so I’ll be withdrawing something like 3-4 hours before the DL the latest – in principle.


Looking forwards having company here! (I should be around in something like 12 hours from now - like six hours after the Day starts)

[Kuruharan]

The first denizen, having eaten some cake, left a message for those that came after and then had settled into quietude.

New lights disturbed the mist, victims of murders most foul.

They will probably have much to discuss with each other...

The Missing or Dead:
Kuruharan
Nogrod
the phantom
Rune Son of Bjarne

The Living:
Formendacil
Rikae
satansaloser2005
Macalaure
Gwathagor
McCaber
Loslote
Boromir88
Aganzir
Nerwen
Firefoot
Thinlómien
Lalaith
Eomer of the Rohirrim
mormegil
Nilpaurion Felagund
Shastanis Althreduin
Legate of Amon Lanc
Mithalwen
A Little Green
Kath

Those of you who are new, welcome! Try the cake. Here we have cake AND death!

Kick back and enjoy watching the antics of the Living Thread.

Remember to vote for somebody to empower with a double vote!

Housekeeping Note: I will always post the Dead Thread narrations before the Living Thread.

[Aganzir]

Well. I did tell you I wouldn't come here alone.

Also, dead Europeans.

I'm on my way to my cottage for some weekend roleplaying shenanigans but I'll be back later when I'm actually there and not in the metro.

I'd prefer to find out Greenie's role tonight because she seems more suspicious to me than Nog ever did.

[Rune Son of Bjarne]

I am very sorry, but after having been working at the office since 6:30am, and then going straight to a bartending-job until 2 am, I simply fell a sleep in front of my computer whilst contemplating who to vote for.

Anyways, I have more time on my hands this weekend, so I plan on actually contributing.

[Nogrod]

I know I have made this kind of promises quite a few times - and almost always broken them - but now I really have to try and play a little less just to be able to wake up in the mornings... So no more DL-playing for me, at least everyday.


So toNight's our first Night we can vote to find out someone's alignment - and it seems that all ties are going to result in nothing happening so let's first and foremost take care that doesn't happen.

Only two of us (myself and the phantom) managed to mess our voting in the end of the Day - so even if it wasn't that important yesterDay (it wouldn't have changed anything) and even if it was kind of a good thing in the end (with no extra-vote given there are no "messages sent" for the wolves to try and use to twist things to their favour) - so let's be careful we get a result toNight.


That said I'm not myself that sure whom we should check (although I do have an opinion on it) - and we should discuss the pro's and the con's of different choices.

My top candidate would be the phantom. Not only because I think finding out his alignment could really shed some light to some other people's roles, but also just because of our situation here: with tp sitting as the only American to whom the DL is an easy thing and able to make the last word (if we Europeans are already sleeping - which I really intend to do more often from now on) we should really know what he is up to. I mean if he is a wolf we'd need to secure a two-vote lead to anyone we wish to gain our extra-vote / whom to check before going to sleep.

Not to mention tp's obvious reluctance to be checked...

The only decent rivalling option is - I'd say - Greenie. I'm quite confused with her as usual. She's a sneaky wolf if there ever is one, nicely staying out of the heat, and thence if she is a wolf it would be a neat catch. But then again I'm thinking of the information value (to the Living or to us) of that and whether it is bigger than if we knew should we trust tp?

There's not that much we could learn knowing Rune's alignment - or mine to that matter. We were in the game for one Day and left pretty little to be interpreted (basically the later people come here the more interesting they are / the higher information value they have as they have had time to interact with others in the living thread and to make votes).

Naturally every piece of information is good. With Rune's alignment we might (stressing the word: might) get some clues as to whether he was thought to be the Seer by someone, or maybe if he were a wolf by rereading his posts to see if there were anything of interest in his relations to others?

With my innocence we could... well know it was a rivalling bandwagon-Day between hunter and an innocent - not that sure how much it helps (well yes, if I was a wolf then those not voting for me could be seen as possible wolves trying to save me - but that doesn't actually narrow things down that much).


I think I've said it already before, but I'm pretty much okay if you want to check me out. That's fine for me.

But I do think checking the phantom - or Greenie - would be a lot better idea and giving us more information (& with tp's case some pretty vital info as to whether we can trust him to give the last votes here).

[A Little Green]

I agree that in general it makes more sense to check lynches than Night kills. So.. Nog? I think he's seemed quite innocent this far, but the village doesn't seem to share my view on the matter - and anyway if I remember correctly he was the one they were mostly requesting that we'd check. Nog suggested checking phantom which I'm also fine with. I think he, too, is more likely to be an ordo - but then, I think he's better at fooling me than Nog is. Also feel free to check me if you think that will help shed light on things, though *spoiler alert* I'm boring ungifted prey. Checking Rune or Agan seems a bit fruitless at this point, too.

[Nogrod]

I think we should base our decisions on the foreseeable information-value of the one checked rather than an abstract rule or what some of the villagers want us to do. (it was, I think, mainly Boro who made it his mission yesterDay to hammer it home in several posts that we here should check me - and I have reasons to believe tp and Boro have things going on together: you can find some from this thread - I'll be back with them later as now I'm needing to be off)

Also. Our chances of getting information through during normal Days is pretty small - and everything can be twisted by active wolves down there. There is just too much room for interpretation with our extra-votes to work properly as a channel of information.

But when we hopefully get a visitor here - hopefully somewhat later though - then we should be able to give her/him as much and as useful information we can.

[Thinlómien]

I called it! Legate and Nogrod can testify. One of the last tings I mumbled before crawling into bed last night was that if Boro is cursed, it may just be he gives up because he's the kind of person who hates switching sides in the middle of the game. (I remember something like that happening to him before and relating to his annoyance very much.) So we should all be extra nice to him and give him lots of raw meat once we can communicate with him again. <3

++Shasta

Well done, Mr Champion!