Game thread - Werewolf C - The Father Christmas Murders

[Loslote]

On a cold, cold Night on a cold, cold ledge midway up the cliff outside Christmastown, two conspirators met to plot nefarious deeds.

Meanwhile, two scowling citizens of Christmas town glowered at the 'conspirators' with their 'commercialism' and their 'profits'.

"I'm sick of it all, I really am," the first said.

"And this Christmastown isn't helping matters any," the second said. "Father Christmas did no one any favors there - all Christmas all the time! It was bad enough when it was just one day a year. Now it drives me crazy every day of the year!"

"You'd think the rest of the town would feel the same way."

"Well, if they don't yet...we'll make them fell that way."

The two grinned silently at each other.


Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu
Legate - Santa Claus

Dead

No one - yet

Night folk, start...Night folking. Wolves chat, Seer dream. Night 1 begins now!

[Loslote]

Suzy Snowflake hurried down the street, clutching her lace white shawl to her against the sudden flurry of wind and snow. She was nearly home, and she'd be so glad to sleep in her own bed after so long abroad.

"Well, well, well," she heard echoing around the walls of the quiet buildings along the quiet street. She paused.

"Hello?" she called timidly.

"I think we've figured out who's causing this little blizzard of ours," chuckled a second voice.

"We can't have Christmas without a little snow," said the first.

"Good," said the second.

Suzy was beginning to back away nervously when the two stepped out of the fog towards her. She instantly relaxed. "Oh, it's just you two!" she said with a laugh. "I must have been away for too long - I've gotten paranoid!"

"Too long, yes, you have," murmured the one on the left. "We've been waiting for you."

"Oh, is there going to be a Christmastown party?" Suzy asked brightly.

"You could say that."

"Oh, how lovely! Will there be presents?" Suzy clapped her hands in delight.

"Left on everyone's doorstep."

Suzy beamed. "And decorations?"

"Of course."

"And punch and eggnog?"

"Well, drinks, at any rate."

Suzy blinked. "No eggnog?"

"I'm not a fan."

"But where's your Christmas spirit?" Suzy asked in dismay. "You have to have eggnog at Christmas! It's a tradition!"

"I'm a modern man, myself," the quieter of the two announced. "I make my own traditions."

With that, the two stepped forward and threw electric blankets over her head. Suzy shrieked, but the sound was too muffled to attract attention. The two swaddled her up in more electric blankets until she couldn't move an inch, then left her lying in the street.

"And they swaddled her in cloth and laid her in the street, because there was no room for her in their plans," chortled the first.

"New traditions, indeed," murmured the second.

As Suzy Snowflake's trademark snow fell on her, the electric blankets quickly melted it into a pool of water...which soon rose high enough to short out the carefully exposed wires that warmed the blanket. Suzy's muffled screams echoed the electric shocks until she screamed no more.

That morning, as the sun rose and pierced the fog, the inhabitants of Christmastown didn’t take long to discover the body. The smoke and steam acted like a beacon, leading directly to Suzy’s blanket-entombed body.

“What happened?” Olive asked. “Things like this never happened back home! Or, at least, not since we trapped the postman at the zoo.”

“I can’t imagine it was an accident,” The Grinch said.

“I foretold you so,” the Ghost of Christmas Present wailed mournfully.

Jack Frost slammed his fists into a nearby wall. “How could this happen?” he snarled.

“Suzy never hurt a soul,” the Sugar Plum Fairy said sadly. “All the children loved her.”

“Whoever did this, if they could kill Suzy, they could kill anyone,” Valkotukka said.

“We’ve got to find who did this,” Santa said.

“Before they kill again,” Paksu agreed.

“Oh, sure,” Tiny Tim said, “and how are we going to find the murderers? Look for fingerprints on the electricity burns?”

“And besides, they’re probably standing here among us,” Rudolph said. “How can we trust anyone?”

“We can’t,” Frosty said. “We’d better go by majority vote, or we’ll never know for sure.”

“And then what do we do with them, once we’ve found them?” Little Cindy Lou Who asked.

“Kill them,” Jack Frost growled. “Kill them, like they killed Suzy.”

A silence fell over the group as they realized what they were about to do. Then, as the sun finally crested the mountains, the group nodded solemnly, one by one.

Living

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who
Shasta - Jack Frost
G55 - Rudolph
Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present
Steve - Valkotukka
Morsul - The Grinch
Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy
Zil - Frosty
Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer
McCaber - Tiny Tim
Lommy - Paksu
Legate - Santa Claus

Dead

Lottie - Suzy the Snowflake - Moddess

Day 1 has begun. Wolves, stop talking to each other. Village, good luck!

[Galadriel55]

Shoty first post.


Just realized that I'm actually barely going to be home tomorrow, but hopefully enough to post meaningful stuff. I'll vote, but I can't guarantee 100% participation.

[Galadriel55]

PS: We should make a monument of snow in Suzy's honour. Make a giant snowflake snowman!...

[Boromir88]

okokclak onk owk clik ockockwonk

(Hopefully someone here knows how to translate reindeer speech )

[Morsul the Dark]

What a Fright and nasty Shock!
Time's shrt mind the ticking ticking Clock
We can not stop for meals
until we settle these ordeals
So take away the platter Sam
Take away the Green Eggs and Ham
To stop this nasty snow? That's just Fine!
But to kill? That crosses a line!
A pair of nasties we need stop
cut out their gizzard and off their heads with a chop
I don't like it all It's all too mean
And that's coming from someone who is Green
Trully the three wrds that best describe these beast are as follows and I quote: Stink Stank Stunk!
We must hunt them down I say get out f this terrible funk.
End their plans ploys
silence their noise noise noise!

....sorry had way to much fun with that ended up longer than I meant

Pretty basic:
two baddies
one Cobbler
one ranger
one seer

Lets us hunt quickly and ring in the new year with a Village Victory Huzzah!

[Morsul the Dark]

Originally Posted by Boromir88

okokclak onk owk clik ockockwonk

(Hopefully someone here knows how to translate reindeer speech )

Well I never!

[Nerwen]

Originally Posted by Olive the Other Reindeer

okokclak onk owk clik ockockwonk

(Hopefully someone here knows how to translate reindeer speech )

*pirouettes in, scattering sugarplums*

Ah! Allow me!

Consulting Reindeer for Beginners, I find that

"okokclak onk owk clik ockockwonk"

translates to

"I am a werewolf disguised as a terrier disguised as a reindeer. Please lynch me before I die of confusion."

Well, well!

[Eönwë]

Ok, my thoughts so far:

Sally - Well, she's said about as much as I have until now. Which is not good. Especially because she's potentially been around since then and hasn't said anything.

Shasta - Said very little. But he has a list coming, so I'll wait for that.

G55 - Seems to be trying to bring in some real talk as well as banter. Looks good so far. Seems to only have suspicion by gut-feeling so far, though.

Coppermirror - Seems to be mostly totally in-character banter so far. I don't like the first paragraph of this post. It seems like just posting something for the sake of it. The list seems slightly better, but the points against G55 and Zil seem pretty weak.

Morsul - Seems like normal Morsul so far. I'm inclined to believe innocent.

Nerwen - Well, she only has one post so far, so I'm not sure what to make of her.

Zil - I don't know. Something about him doesn't sit right with me. He's definitely far more banterous than usual, but that's not what makes me uneasy. I'll need to look at him in more detail.

Boro - Pretty funny so far, but he hasn't given much. So far it looks like he's tried to do a phantom (i.e. force a discussion that he wants) twice, which I don't like out of principle. Of course, that suggest innocence or guilt, but he doesn't feel like the innocent Boro I'm used to.

McCaber - Unless he's serious with his first sentence here (and I don't like that post because it seems full of false substance), this is the serious game talk he's had. It could be something that either side would suggest, but I'm going to need to address that later.

Lommy - I'm not really keen on her first list because it mixes banter and seriousness too much. Could be an easy way for a wolf to make a light non-committal accusation to go back to later when it becomes useful. And in her second list, she does indeed refer to what she previously said about G55. She then says it's 85% jokey, which makes it seem worse, because now she has license to go back to it probably one more time. Her vote seems ok, though.

Legate - Asks the moddess useful questions, but of course, this doesn't speak for his innocence or guilt, since the answers benefit every role. I was going to say that this makes him least likely to be a cobbler, but then I realised that this would probably be a really good early-game tactic for a cobbler.


People I'd rather not for just yet:
Legate
Morsul
G55

People I need to see more of before I begin to make any sort of judgement:
Shasta
Sally
Nerwen


edit: x-ed with Nerwen's #60

[Eönwë]

Clarifications and other thoughts while catching up:

- I don't particularly suspect Coppermirror of being a Cobbler. While that suspicion has been brought up based on at least two posts, I don't think a Cobbler would lean so heavily on such an obviously Cobbler-favouring IC role. That said, it doesn't mean that I find CM innocent at the moment.

-Legate. I'm not really finding him that innocent now that I look over him, but I'm not inclined to single him out for the lynch toDay because he's generating some good discussion at least.

-I'm not particularly keen on a Zil lynch toDay.

[Coppermirror]

Did I not tell you that upon the forehead of Suzy Snowflake, that which is Doom was written? Alas that you did not listen.

Hark! Once more, that which is Doom is written upon the forehead of one of our number. We must erase that writing, or else bide our time until the end.

A monument for Suzy Snowflake is a fine idea. I shall be glad to assist its construction; such a jolly thing would do honour to her. But still - beware, beware!

[Coppermirror]

Is that so? Borolive, what have you to say for yourself?

P.S.

My friends, beware of sinister footsteps in the snow! Their specific size and shape I do not know, but truly the prints of evil are amongst us.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

If it is supposed to be an investigation, then let's make it a proper one. I suggest starting by making a house-search in every place. If we can't get into some houses, I'm pretty good in crawling down chimneys.

So otherwise, as for more practical questions... maybe one thing that should be cleared about the rules (maybe the Moddess should actually answer this, if she happens to be reading?), the Cobbler does count in the tally as innocent or as Wolf? (As in, if it's e.g. 2 Wolves, a Cobbler and three innocents... though maybe it doesn't matter in the end, since in such a case the point is anyway avoiding the stage when it's 2 Wolves, a Cobbler and two innocents.) And regarding Seer-dreams, since it hasn't been mentioned in the rules, I assume the Cobbler shows normally as Cobbler to the Seer, and not as innocent, like it was in some games...

I think, since somebody has mentioned this as well, I might remark that I might be slightly less active these days than usual, too, but I think it should not really be that much less. I'll be back again and around, also once more people show up, with some initial impressions...

[Coppermirror]

It looks as if the only discussion point we have at the moment is about Reindeer language and the assorted translations and comments on it. On the face of it, that all looks like 100% innocent banter to me, and I wouldn't feel at all confident about voting for anyone based on that.

But, I've been wrong about apparently meaningless first Day banter before. I'll have another look as see if, IDK, there are any secret messages hidden in those posts, and then see if I can scrape together any actual suspicions of anyone from the little there is to go on.

[Thinlómien]

Ugh. I should really go to sleep and vote (in the opposite order of course) and I really have no idea what to think, say or vote. Hmm. Another list in order? Seems like the easiest way to think...

[Thinlómien]

Sally - nothing to say this far.
Shasta - the same.
G55 - well I wasn't only joking when I noted she was being apologetic. She's not saying much although she's been around - then again, who has?
Coppermirror - one of the ones that don't seem suspicious at all to me.
Steve - not here.
Morsul - actually, I think he seems pretty innocent right now. I would still appreciate if he clarified the stuff he's hinting at.
Nerwen - hasn't said much of importance.
Zil - seems to be using his time on bantering. I'm not sure if it's suspicious or sort of pre-Christmas laziness that I feel a victim of myself.
Boro - Othe one whose posts have been the most interesting this far. Not that I can make much out of them. I mostly rely on my gut-feeling when it comes to Boro, and I haven't got one yet in this game.
McCaber - seems pretty fair this far.
Legate - can't judge this far, but I'm not alarmed.

So who to vote? Absolutely no idea... let me think.

[Coppermirror]

Sally - Little Cindy Lou Who: Showed up, said next to nothing. Has been crying for Suzy all day. It would be good to see another post from her, even if it's banter.

Shasta - Jack Frost: Was delayed by making Suzy's grave arrangements. Nothing has caught his eye, and he thinks Legate is the only one who's said anything of substance. I can't blame him for thinking nothing's caught his eye when nothing much has caught mine yet either.

G55 - Rudolph: Can't participate much toDay due to real life, but will vote. Wants to make a snowflake monument. Would a Christmas-hating wolf be willing to suggest that as cover for their flinty-hearted ways?

Coppermirror - The Ghost of Christmas Present: Having lots of fun with banter! But also getting down to business now.

Steve - Valkotukka:...Has he actually posted at all? I don't think he has.

Morsul - The Grinch: Presented us with a lovely rhyme. One day he'll adore Christmas cheer, just you wait. Makes several joking comments and thinks this will be a silly game. I certainly hope it will be properly jolly.

He complains that Legate was singling him out, and makes some first impression comments about four players, there not being enough to go on for the rest.

Nerwen - The Sugar Plum Fairy: Shared reindeer language interpretations with us, and suggested through that that Boromir is a hooved wolf. Could be nothing but a joke. Could be an opportunistic Seer trying to hide an accusation, but probably isn't. Could be a wolf or Cobbler trying to look a little Seer-ish.

Zil - Frosty: Thinks that speculation based on nothing will only harm us and those of us who are in the Christmas spirit. I am very much a Christmas Spirit, so I sympathise with his views. But even so, we must analyse things. It's the weighing up of value that we must use our Christmas cheer for.

Boro - Olive the Other Reindeer: Provided an excellent opportunity for others to interpret him. Gave a list of comments on various people, which may potentially be useful to look back on when we have some hard data but right now is difficult to read.

McCaber - Tiny Tim: Cannot get far on his crutches. On general principles I'm against lynching Tiny Tim after all the effort my brothers have been to in order to melt Scrooge's heart and incidentally save Tim in the process.

Lommy - Paksu: Interprets Boro's reindeer-speak as an admission of Cobblerhood. This could potentially have a deeper meaning, but frankly it's beyond me right now. Naturally the same things applying to Nerwen's post apply to her. She then gives a quick list with little comments on people. It may or may not be useful later.

Legate - Santa Claus: Wants people to post more than banter. Which is reasonable, although I must say that I have no intentions of dropping the banter entirely at any point of the game, since I have a fun Ghost job this time. (I mean, the role description for that one is hovering around and making vaguely ominous statements! I can't pass it up.)

Legate Claus wants us to look for Cobblers and for people trying to contact them, and thinks we should look at the Boro-Nerwen-Lommy exchange. Which, again, is reasonable enough.

So in summary, I really don't think we have anything of value to go on and I'm rather aghast at the prospect of picking people based either on what looks like meaningless banter or on who has failed to post much. The only thing I can think of doing right now is going entirely by gut instinct, which is a poor substitute for decent analysis. I'll try looking through things again and hope that something jumps out at me, or that there'll be further posts of interest.

Ahem. My ghostly calculations say that toDay's choice will either set us upon a path to destruction, or to good cheer and hearty meals, but that the likelihood of the latter is smaller. We must be wary...wary...

Edit: Cross-posted with everyone on this page and the last of the previous page. Beware, beware of cross-posting!

[Thinlómien]

Okay, my brain just isn't working and I should sleep, and besides I have Agan and Volo in my room trying to keep up a discussion...

So


++Inzil


("No, don't vote him!" says Agan. "He's nice and he looks like me!" Sorry mate, you're not playing, your comments don't count.)

My reasons: I figured Zil's been busy, but he gives a very lazy impression. As if he didn't have to catch wolves and he could just afford commenting this and that, mostly in bantery tone. That's the best I have for toDay.


edit: xed with Eönwë (*waves*) and Shasta

[Galadriel55]

++Legate


Shasta looks good, and Boro feels slightly better. Steve I still can't decide. Nerwen sounds her typical self. That's for toMorrow.

EDIT: xed with a bunch

[Thinlómien]

Finally here! I hope you all had as nice Christmas as I did but it looks like you folks posted more. I'll try to redeem that: now here are some thoughts...


YesterDay

Originally Posted by Nerwen

Translation: "Hey, wolves, look what I found!" No, really, are you sure you're not the Cobbler of Christmas Present?

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

Very sure, thank you. But you commenting on that and trying to make it look like a signal does give me something extra to analyse about whether or not you're the Cobbler or a wolf, given that the gist of my comment settled on it being more likely that your statement was a Cobbler or wolf sign. Granted, I haven't suspected you a huge amount yet.

Wait, what???

End-of-Day1 Galadriel gives me a fishy feel. Both for praising my vote as impressive (which it wasn't) and her gut-feelingy suspicions that seem just fabricated. (Also "I haven't changed my gut-feelings"... huh? Does that mean you intentionally change them sometimes???)

End-of-Day1 McCaber, on the other hand, seems pretty sincere but I agree with whoever said it's not very profitable for us that he intentionally withholds stuff. Furthermore, his vote is not very impressive really - it's little more than a random vote. (Come on, who abatsins otally from posting intentionally? Most likely people have RL stuff in those cases.) I also like End-of-Day-1 Eönwë. He seems pretty sharp. Shasta has a good point about his vote possibly being suspiciously carefully structured, though.

Not really surprised about Boro being an ordo, and kind of curious about how that lynched happened. It seemed as if it came quite out of the blue even though it kept slowly unfolding during the later hald of the day. Have to think about that.


Last Night

I'm impressed! I don't remember when I last played with a ranger save. I am, however, a little sad of having less clues since there was no kill, but now it will be interesting to think who could have been targeted by both the wolves and the ranger last Night... Off the top of my head, I'd say Shasta, Nerwen, McCaber or Steve. Not very helpful, eh?



ToDay (it's been pretty long already)

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I have to leave now, but I wrote up a post last Night. Looks as if I don't need to edit it in response to someone getting killed overNight after all. I'm just going to post it unabridged and head off to do Christmassy things.

Ah, again the confidence in not getting killed... I have started witch hunts on this basis innumerable times. This time I'll just read on and see who starts it first... Although this one really makes my eyebrows jump with the pre-written condolences and all! Also pretty hypocritical-seeming commentary of yesterday in that post. I'm really not very happy about Coppermirror atm... [Later comment: so it was Legate who first brought it up! I knew it'd happen. Not sure what this makes me think of Legate. Probably that he and I think likewise.]

Looking at the voting record posted by McC, I have to say that if Inzil is a wolf, we'd better have a good look at Monsieur McC himself. Steve could be a packmate of Inzil's too. G55's vote looks totally out of plce, and doesn't exactly make me less suspicious of her.

Originally Posted by Galadriel

Ha! That should show these two villains that they aren't the boss here! That should show them that the situation could be reversed! And it will be reversed! We'll make them scared instead of beig afraid of them! Way to go, Ranger!

[/weird random obligatory IC]*

This gal seems just way too self-conscious about what she's posting.

Sally seems pretty ok once she appears.

Originally Posted by Morsul

SO it feels like Lommy is trying to make genuine prgress but running into blocks.

Thanks Morsul, that actually summarizes how I feel every single ww game.

Originally Posted by Eönwë

Does this help?

Nerwen, Sally enkä äänestä-tämä on melko normaalia Nerwen mutta ei niin paljon minulle ja Sally. Minulla on tapana heittää puoli perustellun äänestää siellä ja Sally yrittää olla huolellinen. Joten äänestys perustuu hänen osallistumiseen näyttää oudolta minulle - turvallinen - koska Sally ei lynkattiin mutta hän ei osallistu viattoman Boro lynch.

You just made my day, Eönwë!

Originally Posted by Eönwë

What did you mean here, Morsul?

That does seem pretty suspicious phrasing, I have to say! But it seems to suspicious to be an actual Freudian slip, especially as it's by Morsul.

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

For a moment I'll throw around the possibility of a Legate-Eonwe pack (and guys, I'm not accusing you here, just imagining scenarios). Legate apparently has a habit of voting for Boro early on in games. Knowing that and that Boro is innocent, they could use that as cover for a Boro vote, and Eonwe could follow on with it...But if that was planned out, would Eonwe omit to give any firm reasoning? Wolf-Eonwe wouldn't want to say "I suspect him for the same reason Legate does", but I find it hard to believe that someone would skimp on finding another reason. Provisionally, I'm going to conclude it's not likely that we have a Legate-Eonwe pack here. It's also just not likely that two wolves would vote for the same person when they're only a two-wolf pack.

Fair reasoning.

Originally Posted by Morsul

Silti löytää McCab epäluuloinen, mutta ilmeisesti nyt minulla on aikaa saatan löydän VTE valitettavaa, sillä yksi iso tarkoituksena äänestys oli välttää modfiring befre DL tänä iltana (koska ajattelin, että se oli vielä tänä iltana ja onko olisin takaisin oli kyseessä ...)***

Please don't kill me! *facepalms while laughing* This one actually makes sense more or less though!

I think from now on I could just post in Finnish, and you guys could google translate it, since it seems to go so well. Deal?


Ha, reading done! Now I could make a list. I have to vote relatively soon/early though, the DL being 6 am my time...

[Thinlómien]

Probably got presents this year

Sally - the little she's posted seems actually pretty good. She's reasonable and thinks independently. I'd still like to see more from here to judge better.

Morsul - a bit fishy, I admit, but my gut-feeling says innocent. Far from being my top concern atm.

Nerwen - mostly gut-feeling again, but I don't find her very suspicious. I'd like to hear more from her, though.

Legate - his Boro-suspicion seemed like basic misguided ordo-Legate and today he has a train of thought very similar to my own, which makes me feel good about him. Quite alright for the time being.


The blind spot of my elvish intelligence

Shasta - like Sally, a quiet and independent poster, but he reminds me a little too much of succesful wolf-Shastas to make me feel easy about him.

Eönwë - I like his uncompromising thinking (and his jokes!) and he seems reasonable. Then again, there's something about him - notably him seeming a likely packmate for several people - that doesn't really sit right with me.

Zil - I don't know. He's actually under my radar right now. He hasn't really imporved much since yesterDay - in comparison with the general level of discussion (and again it seems he has RL reasons) - but there are way more suspicious people around right now. I'm keeping an eye on him, I guess.

McCaber - he's a little contradictory and mysterious, and his part in yesterDay's voting doesn't look too good. Then again, his tone is honest, if I'm any judge. Keeping an eye on him too.


Probably didn't get presents this year

Galadriel - flimsy reasonings and weird phrasings, plus she's way too self-conscious. Definitely makes my alarm bells ring.

Coppermirror - I really didn't like that pre-written post (both as an idea and the content). Otherwise, not so bad. Just seems to be off a lot, I wonder if it's confusion or wolvishness.


edit: xed with Zil

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

End-of-Day1 Galadriel gives me a fishy feel. Both for praising my vote as impressive (which it wasn't) and her gut-feelingy suspicions that seem just fabricated. (Also "I haven't changed my gut-feelings"... huh? Does that mean you intentionally change them sometimes???)

Well, you don't change your mind either, if you think about it. Either way, it was referring to the reason behind the vote: whatever you want to think it is, mind or gut, it has not changed.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

That does seem pretty suspicious phrasing, I have to say! But it seems to suspicious to be an actual Freudian slip, especially as it's by Morsul.

Wait, what? What did I miss? How's it suspicious? It's just a bit muddled.

Edit: xed with Legate and sally x2

[Thinlómien]

Originally Posted by Galadriel

Well, you don't change your mind either, if you think about it. Either way, it was referring to the reason behind the vote: whatever you want to think it is, mind or gut, it has not changed.

Actually, you can, if you think something over. Meanwhile, gut feelings seem to change by themselves. Or that's how I see it. However, it really isn't the only suspicious thing ou've said these past two Days.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Wait, what? What did I miss? How's it suspicious? It's just a bit muddled.

Might be a language thing, but I think noting that a post looks like you can "jump" on it sounds pretty opportunistic and fishy. As if you were just looking for something you could grasp at.

[Inziladun]

Lommy's suspicion list looks quite a bit like one I would do at this time. Since I already was leaning toward her having an innocent air, that's helpful.

I would put Morsul in the Yellow category though, since I sometimes get the feeling he's trying to pull something.

x/d with Lommy x 2

[Thinlómien]

I'm probably the easiest buddying-up victim in ww history, but Zil agreeing with me and saying I seem innocentish made me feel better about him too.

Anyway

++Galadriel55

Easily the most suspicious person at the moment (which probably should be alarming. Where's the other wolf? And the cobbler?) If you need my reasons, see what I posted earlier toDay.

Now I'm off to bed. Happy remains of Boxing Day (or St. Stephen's, as you would say here) everyone and good night!

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

So, am I right in my calculations that the DL is supposed to come in something like 6, 7 hours? Does not really make me that happy since very many people haven't still showed up toDay at all, even though of course it is understandable and I am not the one who should complain, given that I also haven't been around. Still, one or two posts from the more obscure people like sally, or even Shasta who showed up basically only to excuse himself (though he promised more thoughts later, so I hope I'll still be around to read them, though I am planning to go to sleep in a couple of hours at most). Well, it is not such a tragedy, given the Ranger-save, technically, we can take this "extended Christmas Day" in some way as an extra-Day, with a lynch traded for a kill.

I am still pretty much wary of G55, who just keeps having the air of something not quite right there, and in some of her latter posts she seemed "agreeable", as if it was intentional way of trying to look like "Mrs. Agreeable". I was hoping for more from Steve, and I still hope he will show up. The same goes for Zil, who is really not very active, though it seems due to being busy. I must say I am pretty much in dark about McCab and actually haven't been thinking about him very much, because basically the only concrete thing about him is his vote for sally, which could've been an "easy vote", but that's about it, and I wouldn't necessarily put it past McCab to vote in such a way also as innocent.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

I thought of that too– but then an innocent– particularly one who has already been poked at a bit– might well be afraid that changing the name would be taken as a "wolf-slip". Although, I suppose you could say that her posting in general shows a bit too much concern with her "appearance".

My own problem with #177 is that it takes such a very long time to make a few, very obvious points that could have been made in a few lines.

Yes, the "appearance" part is definitely there. And that's exactly why I would not expect an innocent to really give it that much thought. Simply put, I think it's rather a Wolf-thing to make show of one's posts and so on, an innocent would most likely edit it and not think about it.

Though of course taking into account also what Cop had said about her earlier gaming style, and also the explanation

Originally Posted by Coppermirror

I would actually have had to do more editing than just deleting the name from the sentence there. The surrounding lines would have had to be re-written too ("What a tragedy! I'm terrified" doesn't fit at all when the Ranger's just made a great save, does it? And so forth...), and on the evening of Christmas Eve with a heck of a lot still to do, I was relieved that because of the Ranger-save I could slap an unabridged on my prepared post and go away ASAP without checking through it and making alterations.

It would be a plausible one. Though again it comes back to the question if an innocent would really bother himself with such things. I will have to think about it still.

As for Cop "taking long time to say obvious things", whereas I can see it being a "crime" in the eyes of some (and in a way in mine too, of course it's better to be clear and brief, but..)... it, exactly, isn't a crime by itself. So that wouldn't bother me. In such case, what is important is the content, whether it's long or short.

EDIT: x-ed with Lommy and sally

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

Might be a language thing, but I think noting that a post looks like you can "jump" on it sounds pretty opportunistic and fishy. As if you were just looking for something you could grasp at.

I think you're really overreaching here. To me it sounds muddled. Not more. If you look at it as a Freudian slip in the literal sense, that would suggest a wolf who all the time thinks of jumping on posts - which is actually not the best tactic for wolves to take as you usually susoect people based on those things. Can't see why jumping on posts would be plaguing a wolf's mind out of all the possibilities. And it's a very odd slip to make. I don't see your reason as a possibility. Moreover, the meaning of that sentence has already been clarified to the point that you would know what Morsul meant.

I don't like how you choose to press this issue. It is just like you did on Day1 - cast a shade of suspicion on someone and add that you don't truly believe in it, as though to distance yourself from it. I don't like it.

Originally Posted by Thinlómien

This gal seems just way too self-conscious about what she's posting.

Give me an example of obligatory IC that's not self-conscious.



Now that people are starting to post I'm having trouble keeping up! Yay! Posts!

EDIT: xed since Lommy at 180

[Thinlómien]

Legate, the deadline is in a little less than 5 hours. See the Day1 beginning post time stamp for the deadline, for example.

[Galadriel55]

Sally - still digesting her posts. Leaning on the innocent side.

Shasta - I have hoped to see more of him. But he did promise to be around later.

Coppermirror - Just the same as before. Some mixed feelings.

Steve - see Shasta

Morsul - sounds innocent enough.

Nerwen - posts like her typical self mostly. Nothing alarming.

Zil - don't like our little peasant exchange, but then it could be comming from an innocent Zil too.

McCaber - that vote of his *sigh*. I have asked him a question regarding something he has said earlier, but he still hasn't come back to reply.

Lommy - don't like it how she paints suspicion on people while pretending not to hold the paintbrush.

Legate - has an interesting back-and-forth with Nerwen which makes me wonder about what could be the connection between the two, but no conclusions yet. May be just any typical back-and-forth. Also, that part discussing Lommy in his list - I'll have to reread that.


EDIT: xed with Cop

[Galadriel55]

Originally Posted by Legate of Amon Lanc

Lommy - her thought processes seem similar to mine Now I wonder if I should be worried, but I can't imagine her mentioning that being e.g. a trick aimed only at me to lull me into trusting her or something similarly unlikely. So only in case you found my dead body toMorrow, then perhaps she should be looked at. On a bit more serious note, I really don't see anything suspicious about her so far, she seems to try to make an effort and not really sounding in any way false or anything.

Originally Posted by Galadriel55

Also, that part discussing Lommy in his list - I'll have to reread that.

I have consdidered this and decided that it's unlikely that Lommy and Legate are in cahoots, so at least this interesting relationship is sorted out into the right cubby in my head.

[Legate of Amon Lanc]

Well, I have to vote, and there hasn't been really very much to go with. I think G55 is a good vote as any, and her last post does not really add to the impression I have of her.

++G55

Even though I am still curious about Cop as well, and definitely would like to look more at the more silent players too, Gal does not really look to me like an innocent Gal at all.

EDIT: x-ed with G55... this looks like even more grasping on straws, actually.

Good Night, village.

[Nerwen]

Back and reading.