Man behind the Mythology - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Annunfuiniel · 07-17-2003, 12:28 PM

We have a trivia for every book and for the movies and even one concerning us B-Ders... But what about the dear Professor himself? Have we totally forgotten the one who has made this all possible?

So, the idea of this quiz is to ask trivia questions about JRR Tolkien, about his entire life before, during and after writing such works as the Hobbit and the LOTR. Preferably the questions should somehow be related to his writings and to the creation of the mythology, ie. "What occasion led to the creation of 'Mr. Bliss'?" is a (somewhat) better question than "When was Tolkien born?". Possible sources would be Tolkien biographies, the Letters, commentaries in the HoME series etc.

Got it? Good! Now let's begin...

And the first question is the one I used as an example. So, when was...er, I mean what occasion led to the creation of 'Mr. Bliss'?

~Annun

*waits exitedly whether the perfect, brilliant, dazzling, kind-hearted (etc. etc.) Mr. Saucepan man will close this thread or not*

**The Saucepan Man** · 07-17-2003, 01:00 PM

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*waits exitedly whether the perfect, brilliant, dazzling, kind-hearted (etc. etc.) Mr. Saucepan man will close this thread or not*

Are you suggesting that flattery alone will persuade me to allow this thread to continue? Well, it helps ... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

... but its the fact that it seems to me to be a perfectly good idea for a new and original game that really clinches it. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Mind you, I'm more au fait with the Professor's Books than his life, so I might not participate too much myself. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-17-2003, 03:18 PM

This is a great quiz idea, Annunfuiniel! It took some searching to find the answer to your question, but skimming pages and pages of Carpenter's biography finally proved successful. Here's what he says about the background for the story of 'Mr Bliss':

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The purchase of a car in 1932 and Tolkien's subsequent mishaps while driving it led him to write another children's story, 'Mr Bliss'. This is the tale of a tall thin man who lives in a tall thin house, and who purchases a bright yellow automobile for five shillings, with remarkable consequences (and a number of collisions).

I haven't read that story yet; is anyone familiar with it?

Annunfuiniel · 07-17-2003, 08:35 PM

Saucy, Esty - many thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

And Estelyn: congrats for the first and first of all correct answer! You may take the lead now.

The story in question is unknown to me too but I must say that reading those lines of Carpenter's has made me rather curious...

~Annun

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-18-2003, 12:56 AM

Here's a bit of trivia that tickled my fancy; it's quite appropriate for this site!

What do the initials "B.S." stand for, and from what place with the same initials were they taken?

Beren87 · 07-18-2003, 03:20 PM

"Barrovian Society" from the Barrow Store's. Tolkien and Wiseman were two of the founders of this little "society".

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-18-2003, 03:25 PM

That's it, Beren! Your turn!

Beren87 · 07-18-2003, 09:42 PM

Thank ye Esty. *bows*

What play was Tolkien in in his last summer at King Edwards? (Bonus points for the part he played! Not..that we have points..or anything..)

The X Phial · 07-19-2003, 09:45 PM

Are you referring to his role as Mrs. Malaprop in the excellent play, The Rivals?

Beren87 · 07-22-2003, 06:33 PM

Actually, I wasn't, strangly enough. Let me go back and check to make sure, but that's not what I was thinking of.

The X Phial · 07-22-2003, 06:41 PM

Yes, I had the wrong year. My apologies. Still, I would love to have seen that performance.

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-23-2003, 11:31 PM

Ah, I found the answer to that one in Carpenter's biography - the play was Aristophanes' The Peace, and Tolkien played Hermes. It must have been an interesting performance! -

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a Greek play with the choruses set to music-hall tunes

[img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Beren87 · 07-24-2003, 08:02 PM

Esty has it! (And the majority of my information seems to come from Carpenter's Biography, strangly.)

Your turn!

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-25-2003, 05:01 PM

Tolkien was the model for a character in C. S. Lewis' books - who is it?

peony_foxburr · 07-25-2003, 06:14 PM

Dr. Ransom, from the three "science fiction novels"(Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength) If I recall correctly from the biography, he wasn't terribly flattered, either!

What a fun idea!

Estelyn Telcontar · 07-25-2003, 11:10 PM

Ransom is correct - like Tolkien, a philologist! Your turn, peony!

peony_foxburr · 07-26-2003, 07:06 PM

Thank you!

What, besides their own names and their birth and death years, did Ronald and Edith Tolkien have inscribed on their gravestones?

Beren87 · 07-26-2003, 08:29 PM

Beren and Luthien, respectively.

peony_foxburr · 07-27-2003, 08:13 PM

But of course you would know, Beren 87. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

For all that Tolkien moved in such a masculine-centered world from which Edith was mostly excluded, I found those inscriptions quite sweet and touching.

Your turn, then, Beren 87.

Beren87 · 07-27-2003, 08:42 PM

Perhaps he was a romantic, at heart. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

What was Tolkien proffesor of at Oxford?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-28-2003, 04:56 AM

Tolkien held two chairs at Oxford during his career: the Rawlinson and Bosworth Chair of Anglo-Saxon and the Merton Chair of English Language. His tenure of these positions overlapped briefly.

Beren87 · 07-28-2003, 12:40 PM

A detailed, and not to mention, correct answer, dear Squatter. Your go.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 07-28-2003, 03:35 PM

What's more disturbing is that I didn't have to look those up. Someone has too much time on his hands.

One of Tolkien's characters was "a nimble plum-gatherer" but someone he knew could have been described in the same way. Name both of them and Tolkien's relationship with the real-life fruit collector.

peony_foxburr · 08-02-2003, 07:47 PM

I'm thinking we need a clue, Squatter. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [That icon is supposed to be "confused" but it looks like a frownie to me...]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-04-2003, 06:49 AM

You won't find this one in Carpenter, nor will you find it in Tolkien's more famous fictional writings. It's best to begin in one of his short stories and work back from there. The real-life personage is someone that he knew very well.

[ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ]

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-04-2003, 09:05 AM

Squatter, I have found the character who's referred to as a plum-picker, so one half of the question could be answered. However, I cannot find any references to the person in Tolkien's real life who could compare, despite searching in both of Shippey's books, the Letters, and the Inklings biography. Just thinking about persons Tolkien knew well gave me no insight - the character doesn't sound like either C.S.Lewis or Father Francis. Can you give any clue as to where to find a reference? Perhaps the book in which the story is published has a comment, but alas, I do not have it.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-04-2003, 10:26 AM

Well, this is why we have libraries Estelyn. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

The answer has to do with the Vale of Evesham.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-04-2003, 12:40 PM

OK, here goes an attempt:
The literary plum-gatherer is the wizard Artaxerxes in Roverandom.
The literal plum-gatherer is JRRT's brother, Hilary Tolkien, who owned and lived on a fruit farm at Evesham.
Right?

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-04-2003, 12:48 PM

That's the answer I was looking for.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-04-2003, 02:50 PM

Who sculptured the bust of Tolkien that stands in the English Faculty Library at Oxford University?

Beren87 · 08-04-2003, 02:55 PM

I believe Faith Tolkien did that bust, it's one of the centers of attention at oxonmoots.

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-04-2003, 03:01 PM

Wow, that was a fast answer, Beren! You're right, JRRT's daughter-in-law (Christopher's wife) was the sculptor. Please proceed with another question.

Beren87 · 08-04-2003, 03:04 PM

Ah, it was CT's wife, I couldn't find who's she was.

What did Tolkien's brother enlist as in WWI?

Iarwain · 08-04-2003, 04:05 PM

Was Hilary a pilot in the royal airforce, perhaps?

Iarwain

Beren87 · 08-04-2003, 09:47 PM

I..don't think so. It's not what he enlisted as, anyway.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-05-2003, 11:44 AM

Hilary Tolkien signed up as a bugler, but I've been unable to track down his regiment.

For the record, the RAF didn't exist prior to April 1st 1918. It was a later generation of Tolkiens who joined the junior service.

Beren87 · 08-05-2003, 02:01 PM

I wasn't able to find his regiment either (your saying so inspired me to check [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ), so that's left up in the air. Yet, he did indeed enlist as a bugler! Squatter's go.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-06-2003, 01:56 PM

Whom did Tolkien thank for his kindness '...to a jobless soldier in 1918' in his valedictory address to the University of Oxford?

Estelyn Telcontar · 08-06-2003, 02:40 PM

He thanked William Craigie, who taught him Icelandic and was, incidentally, his predecessor as Professor of Anglo-Saxon at the University of Oxford.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-06-2003, 02:49 PM

The very fellow. Your turn, Estelyn.

07-17-2003, 12:28 PM	#1
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Man behind the Mythology We have a trivia for every book and for the movies and even one concerning us B-Ders... But what about the dear Professor himself? Have we totally forgotten the one who has made this all possible? So, the idea of this quiz is to ask trivia questions about JRR Tolkien, about his entire life before, during and after writing such works as the Hobbit and the LOTR. Preferably the questions should somehow be related to his writings and to the creation of the mythology, ie. "What occasion led to the creation of 'Mr. Bliss'?" is a (somewhat) better question than "When was Tolkien born?". Possible sources would be Tolkien biographies, the Letters, commentaries in the HoME series etc. Got it? Good! Now let's begin... And the first question is the one I used as an example. So, when was...er, I mean what occasion led to the creation of 'Mr. Bliss'? ~Annun waits exitedly whether the perfect, brilliant, dazzling, kind-hearted (etc. etc.) Mr. Saucepan man will close this thread or not __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-17-2003, 08:35 PM	#4
Annunfuiniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Something close like Shire Posts: 769	Saucy, Esty - many thanks! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] And Estelyn: congrats for the first and first of all correct answer! You may take the lead now. The story in question is unknown to me too but I must say that reading those lines of Carpenter's has made me rather curious... ~Annun __________________ Despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt.

07-18-2003, 12:56 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Here's a bit of trivia that tickled my fancy; it's quite appropriate for this site! What do the initials "B.S." stand for, and from what place with the same initials were they taken? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-18-2003, 03:25 PM	#7
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	That's it, Beren! Your turn! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-19-2003, 09:45 PM	#9
The X Phial Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Out there with the truth. Come find me. Posts: 317	Are you referring to his role as Mrs. Malaprop in the excellent play, The Rivals? __________________ But then there was a star danced, and under that was I born.

07-18-2003, 03:20 PM	#6
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	"Barrovian Society" from the Barrow Store's. Tolkien and Wiseman were two of the founders of this little "society".

07-18-2003, 09:42 PM	#8
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Thank ye Esty. bows What play was Tolkien in in his last summer at King Edwards? (Bonus points for the part he played! Not..that we have points..or anything..)

07-22-2003, 06:33 PM	#10
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Actually, I wasn't, strangly enough. Let me go back and check to make sure, but that's not what I was thinking of.

07-22-2003, 06:41 PM	#11
The X Phial Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Out there with the truth. Come find me. Posts: 317	Yes, I had the wrong year. My apologies. Still, I would love to have seen that performance. __________________ But then there was a star danced, and under that was I born.

07-24-2003, 08:02 PM	#13
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Esty has it! (And the majority of my information seems to come from Carpenter's Biography, strangly.) Your turn!

07-25-2003, 05:01 PM	#14
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Tolkien was the model for a character in C. S. Lewis' books - who is it? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-25-2003, 06:14 PM	#15
peony_foxburr Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Trollshaws/RdtoR 354 miles Posts: 91	Dr. Ransom, from the three "science fiction novels"(Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra, and That Hideous Strength) If I recall correctly from the biography, he wasn't terribly flattered, either! What a fun idea! __________________ "And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed on into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water." -The Return of the King

07-25-2003, 11:10 PM	#16
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Ransom is correct - like Tolkien, a philologist! Your turn, peony! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

07-26-2003, 07:06 PM	#17
peony_foxburr Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Trollshaws/RdtoR 354 miles Posts: 91	Thank you! What, besides their own names and their birth and death years, did Ronald and Edith Tolkien have inscribed on their gravestones? __________________ "And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed on into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water." -The Return of the King

07-26-2003, 08:29 PM	#18
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Beren and Luthien, respectively.

07-27-2003, 08:13 PM	#19
peony_foxburr Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Trollshaws/RdtoR 354 miles Posts: 91	But of course you would know, Beren 87. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] For all that Tolkien moved in such a masculine-centered world from which Edith was mostly excluded, I found those inscriptions quite sweet and touching. Your turn, then, Beren 87. __________________ "And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed on into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water." -The Return of the King

07-27-2003, 08:42 PM	#20
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Perhaps he was a romantic, at heart. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] What was Tolkien proffesor of at Oxford?

07-28-2003, 04:56 AM	#21
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Tolkien held two chairs at Oxford during his career: the Rawlinson and Bosworth Chair of Anglo-Saxon and the Merton Chair of English Language. His tenure of these positions overlapped briefly. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

07-28-2003, 12:40 PM	#22
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	A detailed, and not to mention, correct answer, dear Squatter. Your go.

07-28-2003, 03:35 PM	#23
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	What's more disturbing is that I didn't have to look those up. Someone has too much time on his hands. One of Tolkien's characters was "a nimble plum-gatherer" but someone he knew could have been described in the same way. Name both of them and Tolkien's relationship with the real-life fruit collector. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-02-2003, 07:47 PM	#24
peony_foxburr Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Trollshaws/RdtoR 354 miles Posts: 91	I'm thinking we need a clue, Squatter. [img]smilies/confused.gif[/img] [That icon is supposed to be "confused" but it looks like a frownie to me...] __________________ "And the ship went out into the High Sea and passed on into the West, until at last on a night of rain Frodo smelled a sweet fragrance on the air and heard the sound of singing that came over the water." -The Return of the King

08-04-2003, 06:49 AM	#25
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	You won't find this one in Carpenter, nor will you find it in Tolkien's more famous fictional writings. It's best to begin in one of his short stories and work back from there. The real-life personage is someone that he knew very well. [ August 04, 2003: Message edited by: The Squatter of Amon Rûdh ] __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-04-2003, 09:05 AM	#26
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Squatter, I have found the character who's referred to as a plum-picker, so one half of the question could be answered. However, I cannot find any references to the person in Tolkien's real life who could compare, despite searching in both of Shippey's books, the Letters, and the Inklings biography. Just thinking about persons Tolkien knew well gave me no insight - the character doesn't sound like either C.S.Lewis or Father Francis. Can you give any clue as to where to find a reference? Perhaps the book in which the story is published has a comment, but alas, I do not have it. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-04-2003, 10:26 AM	#27
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Well, this is why we have libraries Estelyn. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] The answer has to do with the Vale of Evesham. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-04-2003, 12:40 PM	#28
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	OK, here goes an attempt: The literary plum-gatherer is the wizard Artaxerxes in Roverandom. The literal plum-gatherer is JRRT's brother, Hilary Tolkien, who owned and lived on a fruit farm at Evesham. Right? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-04-2003, 12:48 PM	#29
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	That's the answer I was looking for. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-04-2003, 02:50 PM	#30
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Who sculptured the bust of Tolkien that stands in the English Faculty Library at Oxford University? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-04-2003, 02:55 PM	#31
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	I believe Faith Tolkien did that bust, it's one of the centers of attention at oxonmoots.

08-04-2003, 03:01 PM	#32
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Wow, that was a fast answer, Beren! You're right, JRRT's daughter-in-law (Christopher's wife) was the sculptor. Please proceed with another question. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

08-04-2003, 03:04 PM	#33
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Ah, it was CT's wife, I couldn't find who's she was. What did Tolkien's brother enlist as in WWI?

08-04-2003, 04:05 PM	#34
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Was Hilary a pilot in the royal airforce, perhaps? Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

08-04-2003, 09:47 PM	#35
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	I..don't think so. It's not what he enlisted as, anyway.

08-05-2003, 11:44 AM	#36
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Hilary Tolkien signed up as a bugler, but I've been unable to track down his regiment. For the record, the RAF didn't exist prior to April 1st 1918. It was a later generation of Tolkiens who joined the junior service. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-05-2003, 02:01 PM	#37
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	I wasn't able to find his regiment either (your saying so inspired me to check [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ), so that's left up in the air. Yet, he did indeed enlist as a bugler! Squatter's go.

08-06-2003, 01:56 PM	#38
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Whom did Tolkien thank for his kindness '...to a jobless soldier in 1918' in his valedictory address to the University of Oxford? __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?