Does Frodo Baggins have a wife or a girl friend? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

05-27-2003, 05:34 AM

hello you! i've got a question! has got frodo baggins a wife or a girlfriend? has he got kids? was he the last baggins? has he got an a sister or a brother? if you can give an answer of this quetion write me! thx your stefi![Title modified for clarification][ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

shieldmaiden · 05-27-2003, 05:54 AM

Frodo hasn't got a wife nor children and I'm pretty shure that he doesn't have a girlfriend. He is not the last Baggins since he has many relatives.

Lyra Greenleaf · 05-27-2003, 01:11 PM

No wife, no girlfriend, no brothers, no sisters, but no he wasn't the last Baggins- just the last of his specific line. (As he had no children.) If you read the book, or just open up a copy, you can see a family tree in the appendices of Return of the King which might clear some of your questions up. Alternatively try <A HREF="http://www.glyphweb.com/arda" TARGET=_blank>here</A>.

Duncariel · 05-27-2003, 03:10 PM

Poor Frodo, can't get a girlfriend.

Finwe · 05-27-2003, 03:55 PM

After what he went through during the War of the Ring, I don't think there was much left of him for a girlfriend/wife to have. He came back a shell of his former self. He wouldn't physically be able to love ever again. He was hurt too much.

Scott · 05-27-2003, 04:37 PM

I don't know about that. Being the wealthy, successful, hero of a hobbit that he was I'm sure Frodo could've gotten some action. I bet he could've gotten Rosie any time he wanted - he was just being too good of a friend to Sam, that's all. Oh, and Emerelda Green, don't be too upset if this gets move to the Novices and Newcomers forum.[ May 27, 2003: Message edited by: Scott ]

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-27-2003, 04:43 PM

He might have found a nice elf girl in the West... Just a general question: why is this topic in the Movies section?~Menelien

Bekah · 05-27-2003, 04:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Poor Frodo, can't get a girlfriend. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The people in Middle-earth didn't have girlfriends. They were either married, engaged (as in Aragorn and Arwen's case) or totally single. Or else they were courting their loved one. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't know about that. Being the wealthy, successful, hero of a hobbit that he was I'm sure Frodo could've gotten some action. I bet he could've gotten Rosie any time he wanted - he was just being too good of a friend to Sam, that's all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He wasn't a wealthy, successful hero. Merry and Pippin were the popular ones. As Finwe said, he was the shell of his former self, very quiet and withdrawn. He had learnt and experienced much, much more than the other hobbits, even Sam. Rosie was not a random slut of a hobbit. She was true to Sam in her heart. It wasn't his good looks or his money or his status or his popularity (none of which he had much of), but him. She loved him for himself.

Scott · 05-27-2003, 04:48 PM

I'm sorry if you thought I meant to defame the good character of Rosie. Such slander was not in my intentions. I merely think that Frodo had a good deal going for him and could have been quite the Playboy if he wished. I was only reserving my right to healthy satire.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-27-2003, 04:58 PM

That would be interesting. Players in ME? This may very well be the inspiration of a MEMayhem topic... ~Menelien

Bekah · 05-27-2003, 05:06 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm sorry if you thought I meant to defame the good character of Rosie. Such slander was not in my intentions. I merely think that Frodo had a good deal going for him and could have been quite the Playboy if he wished. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Alright. But I don't believe any of the ME characters exploited each other like that. Lust was a factor, of course (Luthien and the other elf), but they didn't go further than capturing the maiden and refusing to let her go until she agreed to marry him. But as I said, Rosie didn't look twice at any other man - I mean hobbit - even really gorgeous sexy ones. She loved what Sam was and not what he looked like.Sorry for repeating myself.~ Elentari II

Finwe · 05-27-2003, 05:32 PM

I think Rosie was one of the greatest supporting characters in the entire series. It takes a lot of trust and faith to wait for someone for that long, knowing that they are likely never to come back. Rosie understood that a part of Sam would always belong to Frodo, and that makes her all the more noble. Just as Frodo was consumed by the quest, Sam was too. Rosie would never have all of his heart, and she accepted that. She never once resented Frodo for it.

05-27-2003, 09:36 PM

My we're a bit off topic aren't we? Oh well, why break the trend. I always felt that the little Sam-Rosie romance was vastly underdeveloped. It felt as if Tolkien said "Hmmm, Sam's gotta do something when Frodo leaves. I know I'll marry him off!" The other love relationships in the book were developed much more convincingly.

GaladrieloftheOlden · 05-27-2003, 10:21 PM

Well, I wouldn't say... I think Tolkien was just letting us discover that we have something called an imagination, and that we can use it when there are things we aren't told enough about. I thought we could have been told a bit more, but if it were more than that, it wouldn't be short and sweet anymore.~Menelien

Cazoz · 05-27-2003, 10:39 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The people in Middle-earth didn't have girlfriends. They were either married, engaged (as in Aragorn and Arwen's case) or totally single. Or else they were courting their loved one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Heh, but do we know anything about concubines? We aren't told anything about Boromir's romantic life, nor of Faramir's pre-Eowyn. As tall handsome war captains, they surely got their jollies from somewhere. I doubt very much that everyone in ME was as formal and patient as Aragorn and Arwen were with their love life.And I always got a very hippy-esque vibe from the Elves, I wonder if their encounters were ever casual? I think I remember reading somewhere that a marriage ceremony wasn't necessary; that two unmarried Elves who had sex were essentially bonding themselves by that act. Thus would marriage even be the right word? Without the official ceremony and formality of the act in our world, wouldn't words like 'union' or 'bonding' be more apt than 'married'?

Bekah · 05-27-2003, 10:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Without the official ceremony and formality of the act in our world, wouldn't words like 'union' or 'bonding' be more apt than 'married'? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>They mean the same thing. They didn't have one-night stands, though, and if they did (which I don't think so, sex isn't the only fun thing to do, you know) it was kept very quiet. Open mistresses and so forth were non-existent.~ Elentari II

Lyra Greenleaf · 05-28-2003, 11:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But as I said, Rosie didn't look twice at any other man - I mean hobbit - even really gorgeous sexy ones. She loved what Sam was and not what he looked like. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm not saying you're wrong but what is your authority?

Bekah · 05-28-2003, 04:24 PM

My instinct. You read it again yourself and tell me whether you think Rosie would be likely to fancy any other hobbit but Sam. She's faithful to him in thought and deed, mark my words...~ Elentari II

Ainaserkewen · 05-28-2003, 04:30 PM

I was disapointed that Frodo never had a girlfriend, so I made one up in my fanfic. Anyway, I guess it fit because he needed to leave in the end anyway, and Sam couldn't leave because of Rosie, so I guess a girl just didn't go with the story. Anyway, I was still disapointed, all that talk of Frodo being so tall and fair and sensitive and all that other good stuff. And he NEVER gets a girl. Oh well, there's always MarySues.

05-27-2003, 05:34 AM	#1
Esmerelda Green Guest Posts: n/a	Does Frodo Baggins have a wife or a girl friend? hello you!<BR>i've got a question!<BR>has got frodo baggins a wife or a girlfriend?<BR>has he got kids?<BR>was he the last baggins?<BR>has he got an a sister or a brother?<BR>if you can give an answer of this quetion write me!<BR>thx <BR>your stefi!<P>[Title modified for clarification]<p>[ May 28, 2003: Message edited by: Legolas ]

05-27-2003, 05:54 AM	#2
shieldmaiden Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: oblivion Posts: 103	Frodo hasn't got a wife nor children and I'm pretty shure that he doesn't have a girlfriend.<BR>He is not the last Baggins since he has many relatives. __________________ Huonya harya vanyë heni yassen sila i eleni! :)

05-27-2003, 01:11 PM	#3
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	No wife, no girlfriend, no brothers, no sisters, but no he wasn't the last Baggins- just the last of his specific line. (As he had no children.) If you read the book, or just open up a copy, you can see a family tree in the appendices of Return of the King which might clear some of your questions up. Alternatively try <A HREF="http://www.glyphweb.com/arda" TARGET=_blank>here</A>. __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

05-27-2003, 03:10 PM	#4
Duncariel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Land of the Ice and Snow Posts: 226	Poor Frodo, can't get a girlfriend. __________________ Middle-earth: Insanity "What, the peons aren't trusted?" -- Yazoo, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children

05-27-2003, 03:55 PM	#5
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	After what he went through during the War of the Ring, I don't think there was much left of him for a girlfriend/wife to have. He came back a shell of his former self. He wouldn't physically be able to love ever again. He was hurt too much. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

05-27-2003, 04:37 PM	#6
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I don't know about that. Being the wealthy, successful, hero of a hobbit that he was I'm sure Frodo could've gotten some action. I bet he could've gotten Rosie any time he wanted - he was just being too good of a friend to Sam, that's all.<BR>Oh, and Emerelda Green, don't be too upset if this gets move to the Novices and Newcomers forum.<p>[ May 27, 2003: Message edited by: Scott ] __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

05-27-2003, 04:43 PM	#7
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	He might have found a nice elf girl in the West... Just a general question: why is this topic in the Movies section?<P>~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

05-27-2003, 04:43 PM	#8
Bekah Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Several miles over the madness horizon and accelerating Posts: 431	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Poor Frodo, can't get a girlfriend. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The people in Middle-earth didn't have girlfriends. They were either married, engaged (as in Aragorn and Arwen's case) or totally single. Or else they were courting their loved one.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't know about that. Being the wealthy, successful, hero of a hobbit that he was I'm sure Frodo could've gotten some action. I bet he could've gotten Rosie any time he wanted - he was just being too good of a friend to Sam, that's all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He wasn't a wealthy, successful hero. Merry and Pippin were the popular ones. As Finwe said, he was the shell of his former self, very quiet and withdrawn. He had learnt and experienced much, much more than the other hobbits, even Sam. <P>Rosie was not a random slut of a hobbit. She was true to Sam in her heart. It wasn't his good looks or his money or his status or his popularity (none of which he had much of), but him. She loved him for himself. __________________ Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit ------------~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------ A laita Atar, ar Yondo, ar Ainasule. Ve nes i yessesse na sin, ar yeva tennoio. Nasie.

05-27-2003, 04:48 PM	#9
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	I'm sorry if you thought I meant to defame the good character of Rosie. Such slander was not in my intentions. I merely think that Frodo had a good deal going for him and could have been quite the Playboy if he wished.<BR>I was only reserving my right to healthy satire. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

05-27-2003, 04:58 PM	#10
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	That would be interesting. Players in ME? This may very well be the inspiration of a MEMayhem topic... <P>~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

05-27-2003, 05:06 PM	#11
Bekah Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Several miles over the madness horizon and accelerating Posts: 431	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm sorry if you thought I meant to defame the good character of Rosie. Such slander was not in my intentions. I merely think that Frodo had a good deal going for him and could have been quite the Playboy if he wished. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Alright. But I don't believe any of the ME characters exploited each other like that. Lust was a factor, of course (Luthien and the other elf), but they didn't go further than capturing the maiden and refusing to let her go until she agreed to marry him. <P>But as I said, Rosie didn't look twice at any other man - I mean hobbit - even really gorgeous sexy ones. She loved what Sam was and not what he looked like.<P>Sorry for repeating myself.<P>~ Elentari II __________________ Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit ------------~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------ A laita Atar, ar Yondo, ar Ainasule. Ve nes i yessesse na sin, ar yeva tennoio. Nasie.

05-27-2003, 05:32 PM	#12
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I think Rosie was one of the greatest supporting characters in the entire series. It takes a lot of trust and faith to wait for someone for that long, knowing that they are likely never to come back. Rosie understood that a part of Sam would always belong to Frodo, and that makes her all the more noble. Just as Frodo was consumed by the quest, Sam was too. Rosie would never have all of his heart, and she accepted that. She never once resented Frodo for it. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

05-27-2003, 09:36 PM	#13
dwalin Guest Posts: n/a	My we're a bit off topic aren't we? Oh well, why break the trend. I always felt that the little Sam-Rosie romance was vastly underdeveloped. It felt as if Tolkien said "Hmmm, Sam's gotta do something when Frodo leaves. I know I'll marry him off!" The other love relationships in the book were developed much more convincingly.

05-27-2003, 10:21 PM	#14
GaladrieloftheOlden Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Massachusetts - digging up a bottomless hole, searching for something that's not there... Posts: 1,514	Well, I wouldn't say...<BR>I think Tolkien was just letting us discover that we have something called an imagination, and that we can use it when there are things we aren't told enough about. I thought we could have been told a <I>bit</I> more, but if it were more than that, it wouldn't be short and sweet anymore.<P>~Menelien __________________ "Glue... very powerful stuff."

05-27-2003, 10:39 PM	#15
Cazoz Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 71	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The people in Middle-earth didn't have girlfriends. They were either married, engaged (as in Aragorn and Arwen's case) or totally single. Or else they were courting their loved one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Heh, but do we know anything about concubines? We aren't told anything about Boromir's romantic life, nor of Faramir's pre-Eowyn. As tall handsome war captains, they surely got their jollies from somewhere. I doubt very much that everyone in ME was as formal and <I>patient</I> as Aragorn and Arwen were with their love life.<P>And I always got a very hippy-esque vibe from the Elves, I wonder if their encounters were ever casual? I think I remember reading somewhere that a marriage ceremony wasn't necessary; that two unmarried Elves who had sex were essentially bonding themselves by that act. Thus would marriage even be the right word? Without the official ceremony and formality of the act in our world, wouldn't words like 'union' or 'bonding' be more apt than 'married'?

05-27-2003, 10:49 PM	#16
Bekah Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Several miles over the madness horizon and accelerating Posts: 431	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Without the official ceremony and formality of the act in our world, wouldn't words like 'union' or 'bonding' be more apt than 'married'? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>They mean the same thing. <P>They didn't have one-night stands, though, and if they did (which I don't think so, sex isn't the only fun thing to do, you know) it was kept very quiet. Open mistresses and so forth were non-existent.<P>~ Elentari II __________________ Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit ------------~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------ A laita Atar, ar Yondo, ar Ainasule. Ve nes i yessesse na sin, ar yeva tennoio. Nasie.

05-28-2003, 11:15 AM	#17
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> But as I said, Rosie didn't look twice at any other man - I mean hobbit - even really gorgeous sexy ones. She loved what Sam was and not what he looked like.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I'm not saying you're wrong but what is your authority? __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

05-28-2003, 04:24 PM	#18
Bekah Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Several miles over the madness horizon and accelerating Posts: 431	My instinct. You read it again yourself and tell me whether you think Rosie would be likely to fancy any other hobbit but Sam. She's faithful to him in thought and deed, mark my words...<P>~ Elentari II __________________ Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit ------------~~~~~~~~~~~~~------------ A laita Atar, ar Yondo, ar Ainasule. Ve nes i yessesse na sin, ar yeva tennoio. Nasie.

05-28-2003, 04:30 PM	#19
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	I was disapointed that Frodo never had a girlfriend, so I made one up in my fanfic. Anyway, I guess it fit because he needed to leave in the end anyway, and Sam couldn't leave because of Rosie, so I guess a girl just didn't go with the story.<BR>Anyway, I was still disapointed, all that talk of Frodo being so tall and fair and sensitive and all that other good stuff.<BR>And he NEVER gets a girl. Oh well, there's always MarySues. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

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