Merry & Pippin: the opposite of what was expected to happen - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Peri · 12-28-2002, 02:27 PM

I remeber quite awhile ago, someone asked the question "Do you think Pippin will mature more in the second movie?" or something to that effect. Most people said yes, they expected that Pippin would be less of a comic relief and become more serious. But what I've seen is that Merry is the one to really mature and grow. He's the one who realizes the seriousness of their situation and seems to become wiser and darker.

My Cat Sasha · 12-28-2002, 03:50 PM

Yeah, I noticed that. Pippin did mature, though. He told Treebeard to take them South. He seemed to understand things a little better after Merry explained it to him.

Carlas · 12-28-2002, 07:24 PM

Pippin starts to really mature once he gets to minas tirith, so you'll probably see a big change in rotk!!!!!!!!

Gorwingel · 12-28-2002, 07:26 PM

Merry became very serious, very quicklyI though am still happy that Pippin still had a little of the comic relief still in him, because I enjoyed that.

12-28-2002, 08:11 PM

You saw that Merry grew in the Fellowship because Merry realized that Frodo need to go and he got Pippin to help him get the orcs off Frodo cast. It really shocked me when Pippin said to go South. It was the first smart thing her has said thro both movies.

12-28-2002, 08:13 PM

sry about saying her i ment he i was also talking ot a friend.

Eruwen · 12-28-2002, 09:26 PM

I see where you are coming from Peri. I was sort of shocked when I saw Merry saying all of those courageous things and Pippin would just stand back and watch. But only one thing I can find that will come out of this for Pippin... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Do not worry, Peregrin Took. You will find your courage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, that's as good as I can remember right now from the movie. Galadriel said he would find his courage. Right now, he is still afraid. He has not found it yet, but is working his way towards it. As many have said already, I believe he will become more courageous on the road to Minas Tirith. But he will find it. For he will have to travel by himself for a while. He will not be with Merry. Merry, I think, was shown as having more courage to begin with for a purpose. I mean, he has to go fight a Nazgul Lord! He needs alot of courage to do that. Pippin is just making his way transforming from the old "fool of a took" to the braver Hobbit inside.

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-29-2002, 12:32 PM

I can't wait to see them both in their respective uniforms, marching off to war. It'll be hilarious to see them in armour, in a sad sort of way. I expect Pippin's childishness will be squished out when the troll falls on him.

Schmendrick · 12-29-2002, 01:39 PM

Well, I really wish Pippin gets more serious in ROTK! And that they show him more! Pippin is one of my favorite characters in the book and I love also Billy Boyd, the actor who plays him in the film. I'm sure he could make an amazing portrayal of Pippin, if they only let him!

the mortal elf · 12-29-2002, 07:07 PM

I agree that he'll probably get more mature in RotK, but he wasn't too bad this time around. He sounded very brave and possibly even smart (j/k) when he said this: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No we won't. Not this time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

doug*platypus · 12-30-2002, 01:02 AM

It was nice to see the expanded parts that MerPip (I don't know if they really deserve separate names in the movie) had to play in Rousing the Ents. It was a shame that it came at Treebeard's expense, but them's the breaks. Merry was a little bit more wise in the FOTR, cos he was the one that knew where Bucklebury Ferry was, and cottoned on to the fact that something was going on when great big hooded riders were trying to capture Frodo. He is, truly, the "smart one". And great call, it was good to see that the comedy aspect wasn't entirely lost. But how did Gimli get so funny so fast? Maybe Pippin left his funny in his Elven brooch? Or in his pack at Pinnath Gelin?

12-28-2002, 02:27 PM	#1
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	Merry & Pippin: the opposite of what was expected to happen I remeber quite awhile ago, someone asked the question "Do you think Pippin will mature more in the second movie?" or something to that effect. Most people said yes, they expected that Pippin would be less of a comic relief and become more serious. But what I've seen is that Merry is the one to really mature and grow. He's the one who realizes the seriousness of their situation and seems to become wiser and darker. __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

12-28-2002, 03:50 PM	#2
My Cat Sasha Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Shire Posts: 46	Yeah, I noticed that. Pippin did mature, though. He told Treebeard to take them South. He seemed to understand things a little better after Merry explained it to him. __________________ Frodo: Go back, Sam! I'm going to Mordor alone. Sam: Of course you are, and I'm comming with you!

12-28-2002, 07:24 PM	#3
Carlas Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lost in the Fog of the Downs Posts: 359	Pippin starts to really mature once he gets to minas tirith, so you'll probably see a big change in rotk!!!!!!!! __________________ 七転八起...

12-28-2002, 07:26 PM	#4
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Merry became very serious, very quickly<P>I though am still happy that Pippin still had a little of the comic relief still in him, because I enjoyed that. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

12-28-2002, 09:26 PM	#7
Eruwen Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 892	I see where you are coming from Peri. I was sort of shocked when I saw Merry saying all of those courageous things and Pippin would just stand back and watch. But only one thing I can find that will come out of this for Pippin... <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Do not worry, Peregrin Took. You will find your courage.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, that's as good as I can remember right now from the movie. Galadriel said he would find his courage. Right now, he is still afraid. He has not found it yet, but is working his way towards it. As many have said already, I believe he will become more courageous on the road to Minas Tirith. But he will find it. For he will have to travel by himself for a while. He will not be with Merry. <P>Merry, I think, was shown as having more courage to begin with for a purpose. I mean, he has to go fight a Nazgul Lord! He needs alot of courage to do that. Pippin is just making his way transforming from the old "fool of a took" to the braver Hobbit inside.

12-28-2002, 08:11 PM	#5
Andkrisiel Guest Posts: n/a	You saw that Merry grew in the Fellowship because Merry realized that Frodo need to go and he got Pippin to help him get the orcs off Frodo cast. It really shocked me when Pippin said to go South. It was the first smart thing her has said thro both movies.

12-28-2002, 08:13 PM	#6
Andkrisiel Guest Posts: n/a	sry about saying her i ment he i was also talking ot a friend.

12-29-2002, 12:32 PM	#8
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I can't wait to see them both in their respective uniforms, marching off to war. It'll be hilarious to see them in armour, in a sad sort of way. I expect Pippin's childishness will be squished out when the troll falls on him. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-29-2002, 01:39 PM	#9
Schmendrick Wight Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: unidentified Posts: 105	Well, I really wish Pippin gets more serious in ROTK! And that they show him more!<BR>Pippin is one of my favorite characters in the book and I love also Billy Boyd, the actor who plays him in the film. I'm sure he could make an amazing portrayal of Pippin, if they only let him! __________________ Be strong, saith my heart; I am a soldier, I have seen worse sights than this. - Iliad -

12-29-2002, 07:07 PM	#10
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	I agree that he'll probably get more mature in RotK, but he wasn't too bad this time around. He sounded very brave and possibly even smart (j/k) when he said this:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No we won't. Not this time. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-30-2002, 01:02 AM	#11
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	It was nice to see the expanded parts that MerPip (I don't know if they really deserve separate names in the movie) had to play in Rousing the Ents. It was a shame that it came at Treebeard's expense, but them's the breaks. Merry was a little bit more wise in the FOTR, cos he was the one that knew where Bucklebury Ferry was, and cottoned on to the fact that something was going on when great big hooded riders were trying to capture Frodo. He is, truly, the "smart one". And great call, it was good to see that the comedy aspect wasn't entirely lost. But how did Gimli get so funny so fast? Maybe Pippin left his funny in his Elven brooch? Or in his pack at Pinnath Gelin? __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

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