Dwarves' Fate? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

01-10-2003, 12:17 AM

Elves sail to Valinor or are killed, and of the fate of Men, little is known besides that they die and go ...you know, wherever... Does Tolkien ever address what happens to Dwarves when they die? Or was that not allowed for, since Dwarves are not one of the original Children of Iluvatar but were made by a Valar? This is one of those small things that's going to bug me; if anyone knows the answer I would be grateful.

Iargwath · 01-10-2003, 02:26 AM

This is a very good question Agarwaen. But Dwarvish morality is very different to that of any other race in Midde earth. What happens after their death remains a mystery. Elves have come to think that after their death, Dwarves return to the stone from which they were made of. But the Dwarves had a very different belief as opposed to the Elves.
According to Dwarvish tradition, Dwarves are gathered by Aulë (or Mahal) in a section in the Halls Of Mandos set aside specially for the Dwarves. And after the end of the world and the Last Battle they procalim that they will help Aulë in rebuilding Arda.

[ January 10, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ]

Deathwail · 01-10-2003, 03:30 AM

Iargwath pretty much covered it but if you want to read more the story of the making of the Dwarves and the lore of their fate can be read on page 43-46 in The Silmarllion second edition. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

01-11-2003, 01:13 AM

wow awesome. thanks! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

the guy who be short · 01-31-2003, 05:56 AM

i really must read the silmarrilion again, i cant believe id forget something like where the dwarves go after they die
but thanx to all of you. im really into dwarves and have adopted a dwarvish name (derin, it just sounds right)
actually, in full its derin aran nu i oron
(derin king under the mountain)
so the dwarves are going to rebuild arda? they never really seemed like they care for the world to me, with all their digging and mining and excavations. and its not like they care for life, cutting down all those trees. so why are they going to help rebuild the world after they done so much damage to it? or is it to make up for doing so much damage to arda?

Iargwath · 01-31-2003, 06:15 AM

That is a fair question the guy who be short. But you must remember that it is a Dwarvish belief (so it is hard to determine if it is indeed fact). The best thing i could come up with as an answer was this:
One of the srongest characteristcs of the dwarves, was indeed the ability to craft. It would be moral for them to help Aule (their creator)to re build Arda for they already derive many skills in craft from him. It could also be part of their fate...who knows

01-10-2003, 12:17 AM	#1
Agarwaen Guest Posts: n/a	Dwarves' Fate? Elves sail to Valinor or are killed, and of the fate of Men, little is known besides that they die and go ...you know, wherever... Does Tolkien ever address what happens to Dwarves when they die? Or was that not allowed for, since Dwarves are not one of the original Children of Iluvatar but were made by a Valar? This is one of those small things that's going to bug me; if anyone knows the answer I would be grateful.

01-10-2003, 02:26 AM	#2
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	This is a very good question Agarwaen. But Dwarvish morality is very different to that of any other race in Midde earth. What happens after their death remains a mystery. Elves have come to think that after their death, Dwarves return to the stone from which they were made of. But the Dwarves had a very different belief as opposed to the Elves. According to Dwarvish tradition, Dwarves are gathered by Aulë (or Mahal) in a section in the Halls Of Mandos set aside specially for the Dwarves. And after the end of the world and the Last Battle they procalim that they will help Aulë in rebuilding Arda. [ January 10, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

01-10-2003, 03:30 AM	#3
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	Iargwath pretty much covered it but if you want to read more the story of the making of the Dwarves and the lore of their fate can be read on page 43-46 in The Silmarllion second edition. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ He who arises in Might.

01-31-2003, 06:15 AM	#6
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	That is a fair question the guy who be short. But you must remember that it is a Dwarvish belief (so it is hard to determine if it is indeed fact). The best thing i could come up with as an answer was this: One of the srongest characteristcs of the dwarves, was indeed the ability to craft. It would be moral for them to help Aule (their creator)to re build Arda for they already derive many skills in craft from him. It could also be part of their fate...who knows __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

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01-11-2003, 01:13 AM	#4
Agarwaen Guest Posts: n/a	wow awesome. thanks! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

01-31-2003, 05:56 AM	#5
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	i really must read the silmarrilion again, i cant believe id forget something like where the dwarves go after they die but thanx to all of you. im really into dwarves and have adopted a dwarvish name (derin, it just sounds right) actually, in full its derin aran nu i oron (derin king under the mountain) so the dwarves are going to rebuild arda? they never really seemed like they care for the world to me, with all their digging and mining and excavations. and its not like they care for life, cutting down all those trees. so why are they going to help rebuild the world after they done so much damage to it? or is it to make up for doing so much damage to arda?