Thre Rings for the Elven Kings Under the Sky... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Daewen · 01-01-2003, 09:42 AM

Yep, there were three of 'em. Galadriel got one, Elrond got one...but who got the third? It would make sense for Thranduil to get one, because then each kingdom would have a ring...but he didn't. Does anyone know who got the third ring? It's really been bugging me...

Afrodal Fenyar · 01-01-2003, 10:22 AM

I think it's said clearly at least in the Silmarillion, and in LOTR(or at least in one of the appendixes)

One was given to Galadriel, yep. Other was given to Gil-Galad, who gave it to Elrond when he marched to war. The third, the Ring of Fire, Narya, was given to Círdan the Shipwright, who dwelt in the Grey Havens. When the istari arrived, he gave it to Gandalf, and it's also mentioned in the last chapter of LOTR.

Daewen · 01-01-2003, 11:42 AM

Oh thanks! I knew Gandalf had a ring, but I didn't think it was an elf ring, seeing as he's not an elf. That explans alot. Thanks~

Aylwen Dreamsong · 01-01-2003, 12:06 PM

Theres a discussion about Narya, the third ring, with some other links here: Narya the Hidden?

Maybe that helps [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Aylwen

Mornie Alantie · 01-02-2003, 09:55 AM

Me and my cousin had a long huge debate on wether or not Narya was kept with Gil-galad until the battle of the last alliance (you thought the Balrog one was big). It says in unfinished tales that tolkien had a good bit of notes the he waited, but there is no evidence in any of the other books each way.

Manwe Sulimo · 01-02-2003, 10:03 AM

Didn't it say that Gil-galad gave it to Círdan? This could've happened at any time, since Gil-galad was the High-king and Lord of Lindon. I think that it would be cool if Gil-galad gave Narya to Círdan as he lay dying after "wrestling" with Sauron. If not, the question surfaces: Why would Gil-galad go to war without his greatest source of power?

Telchar · 01-02-2003, 10:12 AM

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If not, the question surfaces: Why would Gil-galad go to war without his greatest source of power?

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At the time of the Last Alliance Sauron still had the One Ring - wherefore Gil-galads ring wouldn't have been an asset for him, but a liability!!! - The three elven rings were not used in the Second Age - only after Sauron lost the one could the elves use them...

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Afrodal Fenyar · 01-02-2003, 11:31 AM

Erm.. Narya was given to Círdan by Celebrimbor. Gil-Galad gave the Ring of Air to Elrond. The Elven-rings didn't have any power in war - they were used to protect the elven-realms from fading. They had different kind of power than the other rings. And the other point Telchar already said.

Daewen · 01-02-2003, 11:45 AM

It makes no sense though, if Gil-Galad really did have it. I'm confused again.

Saurreg · 01-02-2003, 11:46 AM

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Erm.. Narya was given to Círdan by Celebrimbor.

I thought Celebrimbor gave both Narya and Vilya to Gil-galad and it was the high-king who passed Narya to Cirdan?

I always thought that Gil-galad gave Narya to Cirdan soon after he recieved it and when he was at Imladris during the march of the Last Alliance, he gave Vilya to Elrond.

Afrodal Fenyar · 01-04-2003, 02:36 AM

Hmm.. Could be. I thought it was given to Círdan by Celebrimbor, but it's not the first time I'm wrong :P

Yavanna Kementari · 01-05-2003, 03:21 PM

The three rings were forged by Celebrimbor. Cirdan the shipwright got Narya the Red ring of Fire, but he Entrusted it to Gandalf because Cirdans heart was in the sea. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It's in the Silmarillion pages 345, 358, and 365.

Cirdan to Gandalf- "Take now this Ring, for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and here with, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill. But for me, my heart is with the Sea,and I will dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I will await thee."

Hope this helps. -Yavanna

01-01-2003, 09:42 AM	#1
Daewen Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stuck inside an Aquafina bottle...HELP! ...seriously, I'm getting claustrophobic Posts: 153	Thre Rings for the Elven Kings Under the Sky... Yep, there were three of 'em. Galadriel got one, Elrond got one...but who got the third? It would make sense for Thranduil to get one, because then each kingdom would have a ring...but he didn't. Does anyone know who got the third ring? It's really been bugging me... __________________ Thrust and the nuns will come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King!

01-01-2003, 10:22 AM	#2
Afrodal Fenyar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 94	I think it's said clearly at least in the Silmarillion, and in LOTR(or at least in one of the appendixes) One was given to Galadriel, yep. Other was given to Gil-Galad, who gave it to Elrond when he marched to war. The third, the Ring of Fire, Narya, was given to Círdan the Shipwright, who dwelt in the Grey Havens. When the istari arrived, he gave it to Gandalf, and it's also mentioned in the last chapter of LOTR. __________________ "Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!" ~Eomer

01-01-2003, 11:42 AM	#3
Daewen Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stuck inside an Aquafina bottle...HELP! ...seriously, I'm getting claustrophobic Posts: 153	Oh thanks! I knew Gandalf had a ring, but I didn't think it was an elf ring, seeing as he's not an elf. That explans alot. Thanks~ __________________ Thrust and the nuns will come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King!

01-01-2003, 12:06 PM	#4
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,147	Theres a discussion about Narya, the third ring, with some other links here: Narya the Hidden? Maybe that helps [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

01-02-2003, 09:55 AM	#5
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	Me and my cousin had a long huge debate on wether or not Narya was kept with Gil-galad until the battle of the last alliance (you thought the Balrog one was big). It says in unfinished tales that tolkien had a good bit of notes the he waited, but there is no evidence in any of the other books each way. __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

01-02-2003, 10:03 AM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Didn't it say that Gil-galad gave it to Círdan? This could've happened at any time, since Gil-galad was the High-king and Lord of Lindon. I think that it would be cool if Gil-galad gave Narya to Círdan as he lay dying after "wrestling" with Sauron. If not, the question surfaces: Why would Gil-galad go to war without his greatest source of power? __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

01-02-2003, 11:31 AM	#8
Afrodal Fenyar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 94	Erm.. Narya was given to Círdan by Celebrimbor. Gil-Galad gave the Ring of Air to Elrond. The Elven-rings didn't have any power in war - they were used to protect the elven-realms from fading. They had different kind of power than the other rings. And the other point Telchar already said. __________________ "Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!" ~Eomer

01-02-2003, 11:45 AM	#9
Daewen Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stuck inside an Aquafina bottle...HELP! ...seriously, I'm getting claustrophobic Posts: 153	It makes no sense though, if Gil-Galad really did have it. I'm confused again. __________________ Thrust and the nuns will come. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King!

01-04-2003, 02:36 AM	#11
Afrodal Fenyar Haunting Spirit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 94	Hmm.. Could be. I thought it was given to Círdan by Celebrimbor, but it's not the first time I'm wrong :P __________________ "Out of doubt, out of dark to the day's rising I came singing in the sun, sword unsheathing. To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!" ~Eomer

01-05-2003, 03:21 PM	#12
Yavanna Kementari Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 97	The three rings were forged by Celebrimbor. Cirdan the shipwright got Narya the Red ring of Fire, but he Entrusted it to Gandalf because Cirdans heart was in the sea. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It's in the Silmarillion pages 345, 358, and 365. Cirdan to Gandalf- "Take now this Ring, for thy labours and thy cares will be heavy, but in all it will support thee and defend thee from weariness. For this is the Ring of Fire, and here with, maybe, thou shalt rekindle hearts to the valour of old in a world that grows chill. But for me, my heart is with the Sea,and I will dwell by the grey shores, guarding the Havens until the last ship sails. Then I will await thee." Hope this helps. -Yavanna __________________ "Nonetheless they will have need of wood." Aulë speaking to Yavanna of Dwarves :P to you Aulë

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