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Old 01-07-2003, 08:26 PM   #1
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Sting what is middle earth

what is middle earth exactly r there other places like it or other planets like it
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:04 PM   #2
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It's our world. It's ancient ancient England.
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Old 01-07-2003, 10:13 PM   #3
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True in the "tolkien was attempting to create a mythology of England" sense.

However, ME (middle-Earth) was the lands created by the Valar to fufill the design of Illuvatar (God, the valar are like his servants).
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Old 01-08-2003, 12:50 AM   #4
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Middle-earth is a continent in Arda, the world that Eru and the Ainur created in Eä, the universe. We're told of no other planets in Eä. There is land in Arda that we are not give much information on - the lands of Middle-earth east of Mordor and south of Harad.
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Old 01-08-2003, 11:42 AM   #5
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Ever heard of Pangaea? M-E is something like that.
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Old 01-09-2003, 06:11 PM   #6
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Nah...Middle-earth is Europe, Asia, and Africa, about 15,000 years ago.

Gondor is Greece and Italy, Umbar is Palestine/Israel/Canaan, Mordor is Turkey, the Shire is Great Britain....

Aman is the Americas, and the "Dark Continent" (or whatever it was called) is Australia....

Arda is our Earth, just a long time ago.
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Old 01-09-2003, 06:47 PM   #7
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I can see it now: Turkey, the land of shadow.

Make an interesting travel guide anyway.

The only problem with that assesment Manwe, is that the distances would be completely and incredibly wrong. ME is muuuuch to small to be Europe.

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Old 01-09-2003, 08:16 PM   #8
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Too small? Not really; the Valar already showed their love of distorting Arda with the Hiding of Valinor and the sinkings of Beleriand and Elenna. In the 10,000 years between the end of the Fourth Age and the re-awakening of Man (my theory, in a long-forgotten thread somewhere), the Valar probably had some fun messing with the land again.

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Old 01-09-2003, 08:39 PM   #9
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There's a series of maps in the Tolkien Illustrated Encyclopedia (my reference source for anything pre-The Hobbit until I get round to reading The Silmarillion) which shows the development of Arda (the World) through the various Ages to present time (The Fourth Age of the Sun), some 40,000 years after its creation.

Comparing the Third Age of the Sun (the Age in which LotR is set) to the Fourth Age, Middle Earth represents Europe, Asia and Africa. The area in which LotR is set is Europe (the Shire being the UK) with Harad and Far Harad being the Middle East and Africa respectively. The Americas are the Sunlands and Australia is indeed the Dark Lands.

I'm not sure about Mordor being Turkey (I've been to Turkey, it's nice), but it looks about right. Or perhaps Germany, given that JRRT was writing LotR around the time of WW2 (but then again, Germany's a nice place too).

I remember reading somewhere that JRRT thought of Gondor as Italy and Minis Tirith as Venice I think (but without the water).
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