Worst ME couple - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Turgon_of_Gondolin · 03-14-2002, 08:03 PM

Who do you think was the worst couple in the tolkien books? I think it would have to Aldarion and Erendis. They hardly ever saw each other, erendis lived a much shorter life than Aldarion, and they loved tottaly different things.
What do you think?

Lyliac · 03-14-2002, 08:05 PM

do u mean like actual couples? or made up ones? if it were made up, i would have to say sauron and rose.

Turgon_of_Gondolin · 03-14-2002, 08:07 PM

i mean actuall couples.

Lush · 03-14-2002, 08:07 PM

Morgoth and Shelob. Particularly when they made such a fuss over some "Elvish glass" and turned homicidal on each other. Counseling, counseling, counseling! Or at the very least they could have dropped Ann Landers a line for some much-needed advice. Though I already know what she would say...Counseling!

03-14-2002, 08:11 PM

The only other one I can think of is the last Numenor King and Queen. Pharazon took Miriel (did I spell it right? it's been a while) against her will and took power from her and named himself King. The King gets to spend eternity under a mountain and the Queen drowned in the fall.

03-14-2002, 08:14 PM

Lush, I think you meant Ungoliant, not Shelob [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Anyway, being a couple with a giant spider, ewww...

Lush · 03-14-2002, 08:23 PM

Oh yeah, *slaps herself on head* I got mommie confused with baby. Though baby didn't turn out very well either. Once again, became entangled with the wrong kind of Dark Lord. You'd think those spiders would learn.

Kalimac · 03-14-2002, 09:33 PM

I agree with Lush...I'm reading the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales right now, and Morgoth and Ungoliant are definitely the couple you wouldn't want to live downstairs from. Imagine them fighting in the kitchen. Ungoliant has a definite advantage in the number of pots she can throw simultaneously. Bet you Ann Landers would have a few words on seeking counseling for Shelob too. ("Children of inter-species marriages often experience severe stress, especially when their parents have a failed marriage. You are repeating your mother's mistakes with men.") Ah, if only Frodo and Sam *knew* what Shelob had been through, they'd be much more understanding...

And for might-have-been couples - I'll be evil and say Saruman and Sauron. Imagine the eternal backbiting between those two. "Look, nobody *forced* you to join me. If you miss those White Council friends of yours so much, why don't you go join them?" "I can't anymore, they all hate me because of you! [sob]"

non_conformist13 · 03-14-2002, 10:58 PM

well, I don't know about you guys, but I just hated it when Eowyn was crushing on Aragorn. I mean, there are worse couples, but she was just in it for the adventure and the glory. and poor Aragorn was so far from Arwen. Eowyn just hung on him too! What a flirt!

Birdland · 03-14-2002, 11:14 PM

I agree about Eowyn and Aragorn. And then she picks right up on poor Faramir. Can you say "rebound"?

Celeborn and Galadriel are a pretty bad couple, too. You just know that the magic has gone out of that marriage.

[ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

Joy · 03-14-2002, 11:42 PM

Definately Morgoth and Ungilant

goldwine · 03-14-2002, 11:47 PM

I always thought Eowyn a little cringeworthy in that patch as she sees Aragorn go off the the paths of the dead. Poor thing ..talk about unrequited love!
Celeborn and Galadriel do seem to have moved to a rather passionless place too! I guess you can only keep that sort of thing up for a couple of hundred years before it just becomes damn boring! Maybe it has just become a cerebral exercise!

Eowyn of Ithilien · 03-15-2002, 03:18 AM

lol am I the only one who pitied Eowyn??? and I'd have to say the worst couple is the one consisting of the Queen (and her cats) and the King (it's Friday night and I can't remember their names, sozz guys [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img])

03-15-2002, 01:18 PM

I was never convinced with Faramir and Eowyn. It seemed to me a bit rushed. Marriage is a BIG thing y'know.

Faramir: I like you, lets get married.
Eowyn: Yeah all right

Seemed like that to me.

Rosa Underhill · 03-15-2002, 05:07 PM

I don't know too many of the couples, but so far I'd have to say Elrond and Celebrian (sp?). I mean, she's not even there! (Of course, I think there was a reason, but still.) And it's not just her fault, Elrond could have gone to Valinor a lot sooner, y'know.

Lush · 03-15-2002, 05:07 PM

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and poor Aragorn was so far from Arwen. Eowyn just hung on him too! What a flirt!

Hey! There is nothing wrong with some decent flirting. Every literary masterpiece, and every Friday afternoon, needs some. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]
For worst possible couple, my award goes to Saruman and Treebeard.
Treebeard: "Hey! It was your turn to water the plants today!"
Saruman: "Stupid plants. Let them %$#@ing rot. And for the record, I still think we could have made a nice set of benches out of those ugly trees in the backyard."
Treebeard: "You know, I could just try to drown you again, though this time I'm definitely going to get the job done all the way."
Saruman: "Hah! You haven't gotten off your evergreen butt in over two centuries, lazy git. And now you're threating to actually do something? Hahahahaha!!!"

Kalimac · 03-16-2002, 12:46 AM

I think Celebrian left because she had been "tormented" after being captured by Orcs; once she escaped she was so badly hurt that she had to pass over to the West to be fully healed. Don't know if it's a reflection on Elrond that he stayed behind, though - he had a lot of work to take care of first (keeping a rein on Elladan and Elrohir, making sure Arwen didn't take up with some sleazy guy who didn't deserve her [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]). Sort of the way Sam stayed behind when Frodo left the Havens; he had a lot of work still to do in Middle-Earth and it just wasn't time for him to go yet (and no, I'm NOT saying Sam and Frodo were a couple. Just that the mentality is the same). Just my 2.5 cents, though [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img].

Eh...I want to be nice to Eowyn. She was definitely flirting with Aragorn but there's no reason she would have known about Arwen, besides you start wanting some halfway-honorable company when you've been spending months waiting on a cranky uncle and being hit up on by the likes of Wormtongue. And besides, she let go in the end [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. If she and Aragorn had actually *married* - now that would be awful. Too much alike in some ways to get along for more than a month or so, besides you'd have all the guilt over Arwen in the background.

I still vote for Morgoth and Ungoliant, though. There's no other combination that screams "Run away! Run away!" quite as loudly as this one...

piosenniel · 03-16-2002, 03:50 PM

saruman & wormtongue, i think, take the cake for one of the more dysfunctional couples in the LOTR.

Jessica Jade · 06-08-2002, 09:16 AM

I vote for Arethel Ar-Finiel (sp?) and Eöl. He was always so jealous and posessive of his son and wife...not to mention that he killed her!

Aiwyn of the Eorlingas · 06-08-2002, 09:46 AM

Oooo, Eowyn and Faramir, definatley. I'm very sympathetic of Eowyn. The time's a little messed-up in my mind, but I think it took them a week to meet, fall in 'love', and get married. The only example I can think of that's worse than that: Romeo and Juliet (yes, I'm WELL aware that's not LOTR related, but work with me here). Eowyn was depressed! She was suicidal. She had just been rejected (And how was SHE supposed to know about Arwen? If she had, maybe she would've taken being rejected a little lighter...like say, NOT trying to go off and get herself killed...) and her uncle had died and her suicide attempt had failed and she was being kept indoors where she was unhappy and I can go on all day but I won't. Yes, I CAN say 'Rebound'. I think she would have gone for the next attractive male that walked past her (remember, House of Healing, filled with female healers and Warden). Faramir just happened to be incapatitated with her. I can see them five years from now...
Faramir: Woman! Did you forget to water the garden again?!
Eowyn: I HATE it when you call me that! It was YOUR turn to water the garden!
Faramir: I planted all new crops after you cut the last ones down with that stupid sword of yours!
Eowyn: Is it too much to want to be ready for the next battle?! NEXT time, I WILL die...
[img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] No sleep for Ithilien at night, not with THOSE two going off at each other. And to think: there aren't any other people around for them to vent on. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Frodo Baggins · 06-08-2002, 10:27 AM

Yes, Saruman and Wormtongue. I can see it now:

Saruman: You stupid idiot!!!! You threw my Palantir out the window!!!
Worm: Well, I hated it! It didnt do a thing for the decor!!!

hmmm... Otho and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins???

greyhavener · 06-08-2002, 03:55 PM

Yeah, Celeborn and Galadriel did nothing for me...or for each other from what I get out of reading LOTR. The Sil doesn't have a romantic story to tell of them either, unless it wasn't memorable and I missed it. Hopefully there's some romance somewhere in History of Middle Earth I haven't read yet. Anyway Celeborn is either a trophy husband or one of those behind the scenes inspirations that make leaders great and never great credit.

As for Eowyn and Faramir...well, I like a little fire in a relationship. After all she is a warrior. Give the kid a break. Just about everyone's had one of those unreturned loves and maybe it makes some of us just a little uncomfortable reading about one that goes as public as Eowyn's. I think she's rather brave to have laid out her feelings and risked rejection. I think Eowyn and Faramir complement one another and had an interesting and passionate relationship.

[ June 08, 2002: Message edited by: greyhavener ]

Naaramare · 06-08-2002, 04:00 PM

Grayhavener: no, it's not memorable. Galadriel's brother goes off to start his own kingdom, and it's remarked that she stays behind in Doriath with Celeborn because "there was much love between them" or something of the sort. And poof! That's it.

There's a decent fanfic on the subject, however, if I can just find it again.

Keeper-of-Vilya · 06-08-2002, 07:29 PM

The worst couple is without question Galadriel and Celeborn ! I wonder how the heck they ever even managed to have kids !

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 06-08-2002, 11:49 PM

lol.

Thalionyulma · 06-09-2002, 06:43 AM

People, perhaps a recommendation on reading Unfinished Tales will help with the Galadriel and Celeborn angle!

Okay, maybe I am partial…. THEY are my favorite couple! I don’t care what anyone says… I’m relying on ALL the books not just LOTR.

No love between them?????? Sheeeez....

Galadriel CHOSE Celeborn OVER Celebrimbor (THE Ring Maker, fer cryin’ out loud!). I think in LOTR, Celeborn was pictured in less stature… but anyone ever wonder why he’s called Celeborn the Wise? He no longer wanted to stay in Lothlorien when Galadriel left, and was said to have followed her to the West afterwards.
(He wasn’t just a decoration at the side of ME’s MOST powerful FEMALE Eldar. He also helped Thranduil after the War of the Ring, to clear out Mirkwood of the nasty beasties, renaming it to Eryn Lasgalen. And he w/ Galadriel tried to thwart Feanor at the first Kinslaying…. Okay, so I’m babbling! uuummm... is it obvious that I'm a fan? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Not of Cate Blanchett and what's-his-name! the characters in the BOOKS!!!).

Worst couple choice?

1)Erendis and Aldarion. They completely fell out of love.
2)Ar-Pharazôn and Miriel. Sheez, forcing her to marry him so he would be king! And they’re cousins!
3) Turin and Nienor Niniel. What a tragic story! They didn’t know they were brother and sister because Glaurung put a spell on her.
4)Eol and Aredhel. He forced her to live apart from her people and didn't hesistate to try and kill her when she disobeyed him.

Melkor and Ungoliant? Sauron and Shelob? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Thalionyulma ]

Naaramare · 06-09-2002, 02:11 PM

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No love between them?????? Sheeeez...

Hey, I said there was much love between them. It's probably the most ignored love-story in LotR, and I haven't managed to get my hands on a not-falling-apart copy of the Unfinished Tales. All the Silmarillion says is that she stayed in Doriath because of Celeborn. :: shrugs::

Nevfeniel · 06-09-2002, 02:21 PM

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Sauron and Shelob?

Whoa, don't go there! That's not a picture I want in my mind! [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

the real findorfin · 06-09-2002, 03:31 PM

I think Feanor and Nimrodel (something like that) were a pretty bad couple. She was trying to help him and he chooses sum tacky crystals over her. NICE!

If I had a nice eldarin babe would i let her go, hell no!

Evenstar1 · 06-09-2002, 07:43 PM

My vote is for Deagol and Smeagol.

Here we have 2 best friends, one of whom finds Shiny Object at far bottom of river, whereupon the other is instantly overcome with evil, magical jealousy and kills him! Thus, living out the rest of his (looooooong)days with no friends AT ALL, Smeagol goes on to become a completely miserable wretch! How much more unlucky can you be than to be the poor saps who find the One Ring and have no guidance whatsoever (like an ISTARI, maybe)?

the real findorfin · 06-10-2002, 09:18 AM

Weren't Deagol and smeagol brothers. i'm not being picky, just wondering????

I've just thought of a question - why didn't deagol lust after the ring??

Elrian · 06-10-2002, 09:31 AM

Deagol and Smeagol were cousins.
Deagol didn't get the chance to covet the Ring before being strangled.

My vote would either go to Aldarion and Erendis, or Ancalime and her husband.

[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ]

Belin · 06-12-2002, 10:19 PM

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Deagol didn't get the chance to covet the Ring before being strangled.

Are you sure of that? He did get pretty snotty pretty quickly. "I’ve given you a present already, more than I could afford," is not something I would say to any of my friends (and I assure you, the present is more than I can afford). Don’t know about you guys.

Or maybe Deagol was just a bad friend anyway?

Anyway, I’d say Slinker and Stinker were a pretty bad couple. Always trying to trick each other, bickering, different intended life paths, and only one body between them, poor things. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

--Belin Ibaimendi

TarElendil · 06-12-2002, 11:33 PM

well..the strangest would have to be turin and nienor..they were siblings though they didnt know it until too late.
aldarion and erendis' wasnt good at all.
..talk about PMS... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

The-Elf-Herself · 06-13-2002, 07:54 AM

I agree. I just completed reading about Aldarion & Erendis in the Unfinished Tales, and their relationship is MESSED UP. Talk about opposites attracting for all the wrong reasons. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: The-Elf-Herself ]

stone of vision · 06-13-2002, 08:48 AM

Well, I can think of a few worst couples not already cited,
Tell me what you think of them:

1) Otho and Lobelia Sackville- Baggins for the hobbit clan.
Yeah they would certainly have "curdled new milk"--Gandalf [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

2) Bill Ferny and Bill poney.
The first one really doesn't deserve to" waste a good apple"--Sam :P

3) Ugluk the uruk-hai and Grishnakh;
What an "lovely"old married bickering they had about our beloved Pippin and Merry. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

and the best for the end:

4) Saruman and Gandalf, those two are made for each other, aren't they? Particularly cladding with white [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

5) Eowyn and the Witch-King ( wink to another thread)
A so romantic strory there, both are beautiful and powerful in their own way.
Both were doomed to meet each other in passionate circumstances to fulfil their fate.
And... well their first "date" was the unique and fatal one, "un coup de foudre lethal" like we say in my country in all sense terms. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

a word about
Feanor and Nerdanel.
Though the awful temper Faenor had, she bore to him 7 sons. I think she was unfortunatly consumed but Feanor fire spirit.
She certainly had pride and love for her mate but also grievances and sorrow.

Nar · 06-13-2002, 09:23 AM

I like your slinker and stinker, Belin. Excellent lateral thinking. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] 'If we split, who gets the body' --why, that's even worse than who gets the dog! Moral: if you intervene in an angry marriage, you'll be bitten for your trouble.
SOV, Eowyn and the Witch King, what an awe-inspiringly hostile date-with-destiny that was! Moral: Never menace a girl's father-figure on the first date! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 06-18-2002, 09:33 AM

Eol and Aredhel don't make a very good couple either.

Mornie Alantie · 06-18-2002, 10:15 AM

Its not really true but Gollum and Elanor would of been the worst thing immaginable

Eowyn of Ithilien · 06-19-2002, 07:13 AM

some selections of "couples" are rather disturbing...and thankyou for supporting Eowyn greyhavener [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

03-14-2002, 08:03 PM	#1
Turgon_of_Gondolin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gondolin Posts: 15	Worst ME couple Who do you think was the worst couple in the tolkien books? I think it would have to Aldarion and Erendis. They hardly ever saw each other, erendis lived a much shorter life than Aldarion, and they loved tottaly different things. What do you think?

03-14-2002, 08:05 PM	#2
Lyliac Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Dead Marshes Posts: 25	do u mean like actual couples? or made up ones? if it were made up, i would have to say sauron and rose. __________________ "Atheism is a non-prophet organization" [img] C:\Documents and Settings\user1\My Documents\My Pictures\sig1.gif [/img]

03-14-2002, 08:07 PM	#4
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Morgoth and Shelob. Particularly when they made such a fuss over some "Elvish glass" and turned homicidal on each other. Counseling, counseling, counseling! Or at the very least they could have dropped Ann Landers a line for some much-needed advice. Though I already know what she would say...Counseling! __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

03-14-2002, 08:23 PM	#7
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Oh yeah, slaps herself on head I got mommie confused with baby. Though baby didn't turn out very well either. Once again, became entangled with the wrong kind of Dark Lord. You'd think those spiders would learn. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

03-14-2002, 09:33 PM	#8
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	I agree with Lush...I'm reading the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales right now, and Morgoth and Ungoliant are definitely the couple you wouldn't want to live downstairs from. Imagine them fighting in the kitchen. Ungoliant has a definite advantage in the number of pots she can throw simultaneously. Bet you Ann Landers would have a few words on seeking counseling for Shelob too. ("Children of inter-species marriages often experience severe stress, especially when their parents have a failed marriage. You are repeating your mother's mistakes with men.") Ah, if only Frodo and Sam knew what Shelob had been through, they'd be much more understanding... And for might-have-been couples - I'll be evil and say Saruman and Sauron. Imagine the eternal backbiting between those two. "Look, nobody forced you to join me. If you miss those White Council friends of yours so much, why don't you go join them?" "I can't anymore, they all hate me because of you! [sob]" __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-14-2002, 08:11 PM	#5
Huan Guest Posts: n/a	The only other one I can think of is the last Numenor King and Queen. Pharazon took Miriel (did I spell it right? it's been a while) against her will and took power from her and named himself King. The King gets to spend eternity under a mountain and the Queen drowned in the fall.

03-14-2002, 08:14 PM	#6
Huan Guest Posts: n/a	Lush, I think you meant Ungoliant, not Shelob [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Anyway, being a couple with a giant spider, ewww...

03-14-2002, 10:58 PM	#9
non_conformist13 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: mars Posts: 12	well, I don't know about you guys, but I just hated it when Eowyn was crushing on Aragorn. I mean, there are worse couples, but she was just in it for the adventure and the glory. and poor Aragorn was so far from Arwen. Eowyn just hung on him too! What a flirt! __________________ "I can add some more if you like it, calling your Chief names, wishing to punch his Pimply Face, and thinking you Sheriffs look a lot of Tom-fools!" Samwise Gamgee Be not conformed to this world, but be transformed, by the renewing of your mind. Romans 12:2

03-14-2002, 11:14 PM	#10
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	I agree about Eowyn and Aragorn. And then she picks right up on poor Faramir. Can you say "rebound"? Celeborn and Galadriel are a pretty bad couple, too. You just know that the magic has gone out of that marriage. [ March 15, 2002: Message edited by: Birdland ]

03-14-2002, 11:42 PM	#11
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Definately Morgoth and Ungilant __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-14-2002, 11:47 PM	#12
goldwine Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South Australia Posts: 64	I always thought Eowyn a little cringeworthy in that patch as she sees Aragorn go off the the paths of the dead. Poor thing ..talk about unrequited love! Celeborn and Galadriel do seem to have moved to a rather passionless place too! I guess you can only keep that sort of thing up for a couple of hundred years before it just becomes damn boring! Maybe it has just become a cerebral exercise! __________________ 2A Balrog. A demon from the underpants (Gandalf)

03-15-2002, 03:18 AM	#13
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	lol am I the only one who pitied Eowyn??? and I'd have to say the worst couple is the one consisting of the Queen (and her cats) and the King (it's Friday night and I can't remember their names, sozz guys [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]) __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.

03-15-2002, 01:18 PM	#14
Howlin' Pelle Guest Posts: n/a	I was never convinced with Faramir and Eowyn. It seemed to me a bit rushed. Marriage is a BIG thing y'know. Faramir: I like you, lets get married. Eowyn: Yeah all right Seemed like that to me.

03-15-2002, 05:07 PM	#15
Rosa Underhill Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waymeet, the Shire Posts: 297	I don't know too many of the couples, but so far I'd have to say Elrond and Celebrian (sp?). I mean, she's not even there! (Of course, I think there was a reason, but still.) And it's not just her fault, Elrond could have gone to Valinor a lot sooner, y'know. __________________ WWAHD? (What would a Hobbit do?)

03-16-2002, 12:46 AM	#17
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	I think Celebrian left because she had been "tormented" after being captured by Orcs; once she escaped she was so badly hurt that she had to pass over to the West to be fully healed. Don't know if it's a reflection on Elrond that he stayed behind, though - he had a lot of work to take care of first (keeping a rein on Elladan and Elrohir, making sure Arwen didn't take up with some sleazy guy who didn't deserve her [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]). Sort of the way Sam stayed behind when Frodo left the Havens; he had a lot of work still to do in Middle-Earth and it just wasn't time for him to go yet (and no, I'm NOT saying Sam and Frodo were a couple. Just that the mentality is the same). Just my 2.5 cents, though [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. Eh...I want to be nice to Eowyn. She was definitely flirting with Aragorn but there's no reason she would have known about Arwen, besides you start wanting some halfway-honorable company when you've been spending months waiting on a cranky uncle and being hit up on by the likes of Wormtongue. And besides, she let go in the end [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]. If she and Aragorn had actually married - now that would be awful. Too much alike in some ways to get along for more than a month or so, besides you'd have all the guilt over Arwen in the background. I still vote for Morgoth and Ungoliant, though. There's no other combination that screams "Run away! Run away!" quite as loudly as this one... __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

03-16-2002, 03:50 PM	#18
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	saruman & wormtongue, i think, take the cake for one of the more dysfunctional couples in the LOTR. __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

06-08-2002, 09:16 AM	#19
Jessica Jade Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tirion upon Túna, Atlanta Posts: 154	I vote for Arethel Ar-Finiel (sp?) and Eöl. He was always so jealous and posessive of his son and wife...not to mention that he killed her! __________________ http://www.cadential64.com The musicians had indeed laid bare the youngest, most innocent of our ideas of life, the indestructible yearning for the way things aren't and can never be. ~ Philip Roth, The Human Stain

06-08-2002, 09:46 AM	#20
Aiwyn of the Eorlingas Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Lost in New York somewhere Posts: 22	Oooo, Eowyn and Faramir, definatley. I'm very sympathetic of Eowyn. The time's a little messed-up in my mind, but I think it took them a week to meet, fall in 'love', and get married. The only example I can think of that's worse than that: Romeo and Juliet (yes, I'm WELL aware that's not LOTR related, but work with me here). Eowyn was depressed! She was suicidal. She had just been rejected (And how was SHE supposed to know about Arwen? If she had, maybe she would've taken being rejected a little lighter...like say, NOT trying to go off and get herself killed...) and her uncle had died and her suicide attempt had failed and she was being kept indoors where she was unhappy and I can go on all day but I won't. Yes, I CAN say 'Rebound'. I think she would have gone for the next attractive male that walked past her (remember, House of Healing, filled with female healers and Warden). Faramir just happened to be incapatitated with her. I can see them five years from now... Faramir: Woman! Did you forget to water the garden again?! Eowyn: I HATE it when you call me that! It was YOUR turn to water the garden! Faramir: I planted all new crops after you cut the last ones down with that stupid sword of yours! Eowyn: Is it too much to want to be ready for the next battle?! NEXT time, I WILL die... [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] No sleep for Ithilien at night, not with THOSE two going off at each other. And to think: there aren't any other people around for them to vent on. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "But no living man am I! You look upon a woman. Éowyn am I, Éomund's daughter. You stand between me and my lord and kin. Begone, if you be not deathless! For living or dark undead, I will smite you, if you touch him!" -Éowyn, The Battle of Pelennor Fields Find a penny, pick it up, all day long you'll have...a penny. There are approximatley 170 days until the release of 'The Two Towers'...ARRRRRRGGG!!!!! Thank you for not smoking

06-08-2002, 10:27 AM	#21
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Yes, Saruman and Wormtongue. I can see it now: Saruman: You stupid idiot!!!! You threw my Palantir out the window!!! Worm: Well, I hated it! It didnt do a thing for the decor!!! hmmm... Otho and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins??? __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

06-08-2002, 03:55 PM	#22
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	Yeah, Celeborn and Galadriel did nothing for me...or for each other from what I get out of reading LOTR. The Sil doesn't have a romantic story to tell of them either, unless it wasn't memorable and I missed it. Hopefully there's some romance somewhere in History of Middle Earth I haven't read yet. Anyway Celeborn is either a trophy husband or one of those behind the scenes inspirations that make leaders great and never great credit. As for Eowyn and Faramir...well, I like a little fire in a relationship. After all she is a warrior. Give the kid a break. Just about everyone's had one of those unreturned loves and maybe it makes some of us just a little uncomfortable reading about one that goes as public as Eowyn's. I think she's rather brave to have laid out her feelings and risked rejection. I think Eowyn and Faramir complement one another and had an interesting and passionate relationship. [ June 08, 2002: Message edited by: greyhavener ] __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

06-08-2002, 04:00 PM	#23
Naaramare Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Fort St John Posts: 196	Grayhavener: no, it's not memorable. Galadriel's brother goes off to start his own kingdom, and it's remarked that she stays behind in Doriath with Celeborn because "there was much love between them" or something of the sort. And poof! That's it. There's a decent fanfic on the subject, however, if I can just find it again. __________________ "I once spent two weeks in a tree trying to talk to a bird." --Puck, Brother Mine si man i yulma nin equantuva? [my blog]

06-08-2002, 07:29 PM	#24
Keeper-of-Vilya Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 19	The worst couple is without question Galadriel and Celeborn ! I wonder how the heck they ever even managed to have kids ! __________________ Few can see where their road leads them till they come to its end.

06-08-2002, 11:49 PM	#25
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	lol. __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

06-09-2002, 06:43 AM	#26
Thalionyulma Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: across the sea Posts: 295	People, perhaps a recommendation on reading *Unfinished Tales* will help with the Galadriel and Celeborn angle! Okay, maybe I am partial…. THEY are my favorite couple! I don’t care what anyone says… I’m relying on ALL the books not just LOTR. No love between them?????? Sheeeez.... Galadriel CHOSE Celeborn OVER Celebrimbor (THE Ring Maker, fer cryin’ out loud!). I think in LOTR, Celeborn was pictured in less stature… but anyone ever wonder why he’s called Celeborn the Wise? He no longer wanted to stay in Lothlorien when Galadriel left, and was said to have followed her to the West afterwards. (He wasn’t just a decoration at the side of ME’s MOST powerful FEMALE Eldar. He also helped Thranduil after the War of the Ring, to clear out Mirkwood of the nasty beasties, renaming it to Eryn Lasgalen. And he w/ Galadriel tried to thwart Feanor at the first Kinslaying…. Okay, so I’m babbling! uuummm... is it obvious that I'm a fan? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Not of Cate Blanchett and what's-his-name! the characters in the BOOKS!!!). Worst couple choice? 1)Erendis and Aldarion. They completely fell out of love. 2)Ar-Pharazôn and Miriel. Sheez, forcing her to marry him so he would be king! And they’re cousins! 3) Turin and Nienor Niniel. What a tragic story! They didn’t know they were brother and sister because Glaurung put a spell on her. 4)Eol and Aredhel. He forced her to live apart from her people and didn't hesistate to try and kill her when she disobeyed him. Melkor and Ungoliant? Sauron and Shelob? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] [ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Thalionyulma ]

06-09-2002, 03:31 PM	#29
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	I think Feanor and Nimrodel (something like that) were a pretty bad couple. She was trying to help him and he chooses sum tacky crystals over her. NICE! If I had a nice eldarin babe would i let her go, hell no! __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

06-09-2002, 07:43 PM	#30
Evenstar1 Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado (just east of the Misty Mts.) Posts: 111	My vote is for Deagol and Smeagol. Here we have 2 best friends, one of whom finds Shiny Object at far bottom of river, whereupon the other is instantly overcome with evil, magical jealousy and kills him! Thus, living out the rest of his (looooooong)days with no friends AT ALL, Smeagol goes on to become a completely miserable wretch! How much more unlucky can you be than to be the poor saps who find the One Ring and have no guidance whatsoever (like an ISTARI, maybe)? __________________ - Eve

06-10-2002, 09:18 AM	#31
the real findorfin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 514	Weren't Deagol and smeagol brothers. i'm not being picky, just wondering???? I've just thought of a question - why didn't deagol lust after the ring?? __________________ Legends of Middle Earth

06-10-2002, 09:31 AM	#32
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Deagol and Smeagol were cousins. Deagol didn't get the chance to covet the Ring before being strangled. My vote would either go to Aldarion and Erendis, or Ancalime and her husband. [ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: Elrian ] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

06-12-2002, 11:33 PM	#34
TarElendil Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Armenelos Posts: 136	well..the strangest would have to be turin and nienor..they were siblings though they didnt know it until too late. aldarion and erendis' wasnt good at all. ..talk about PMS... [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

06-13-2002, 07:54 AM	#35
The-Elf-Herself Haunting Spirit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 74	I agree. I just completed reading about Aldarion & Erendis in the Unfinished Tales, and their relationship is MESSED UP. Talk about opposites attracting for all the wrong reasons. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] [ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: The-Elf-Herself ] __________________ Go here http://www.geocities.com/sunlit_rain/home_page for songs translated into elvish.~Eruantale Aranìs Oronlamba~

06-13-2002, 08:48 AM	#36
stone of vision Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: France Posts: 69	Well, I can think of a few worst couples not already cited, Tell me what you think of them: 1) Otho and Lobelia Sackville- Baggins for the hobbit clan. Yeah they would certainly have "curdled new milk"--Gandalf [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] 2) Bill Ferny and Bill poney. The first one really doesn't deserve to" waste a good apple"--Sam :P 3) Ugluk the uruk-hai and Grishnakh; What an "lovely"old married bickering they had about our beloved Pippin and Merry. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] and the best for the end: 4) Saruman and Gandalf, those two are made for each other, aren't they? Particularly cladding with white [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] 5) Eowyn and the Witch-King ( wink to another thread) A so romantic strory there, both are beautiful and powerful in their own way. Both were doomed to meet each other in passionate circumstances to fulfil their fate. And... well their first "date" was the unique and fatal one, "un coup de foudre lethal" like we say in my country in all sense terms. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] a word about Feanor and Nerdanel. Though the awful temper Faenor had, she bore to him 7 sons. I think she was unfortunatly consumed but Feanor fire spirit. She certainly had pride and love for her mate but also grievances and sorrow. __________________ silmarillien All that is gold doesn't glitter. ********************************* Nee, ai**ara Dare mo ga konna kodoku ni naru no?

06-13-2002, 09:23 AM	#37
Nar Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 228	I like your slinker and stinker, Belin. Excellent lateral thinking. [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] 'If we split, who gets the body' --why, that's even worse than who gets the dog! Moral: if you intervene in an angry marriage, you'll be bitten for your trouble. SOV, Eowyn and the Witch King, what an awe-inspiringly hostile date-with-destiny that was! Moral: Never menace a girl's father-figure on the first date! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

06-18-2002, 09:33 AM	#38
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	Eol and Aredhel don't make a very good couple either. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

06-18-2002, 10:15 AM	#39
Mornie Alantie Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Somewhere above earth cause people say i should come down to it Posts: 226	Its not really true but Gollum and Elanor would of been the worst thing immaginable __________________ Instead of pepper spray, you pack a glass bottle and scream "Aiya Earendil Elenion Ancalima!!!" at muggers.

06-19-2002, 07:13 AM	#40
Eowyn of Ithilien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 277	some selections of "couples" are rather disturbing...and thankyou for supporting Eowyn greyhavener [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ But of bliss and glad life there is little to be said, before it ends; as works fair and wonderful, while still they endure for eyes to see, are their own record, and only when they are in peril or broken for ever do they pass into song.