the Necromancer - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lady evenstar · 02-04-2004, 02:24 PM

i was reading the hobbit again and i dont know what the necromancer (I think thats how u spell it) is. they didnt talk about him much. can anyine tell me?

Ainaserkewen · 02-04-2004, 02:32 PM

Hey lady evenstar, I belatedely welcome you to the downs. The Necromancer was just a mysterious way of saying Sauron. Either at the time they didn't know it was Sauron, or they didn't want to name him at the time. I've always wondered what the actual defenition of the word is. It's greek, necro-meaning death. Necromancer is someone who uses sorcery for evil.

Kransha · 02-04-2004, 02:53 PM

A Necromanancer is someone who controls death, just like a pyromancer controls fire. In this case, as stated above, the Necromancer was Sauron before he'd become a great power again. It was unknown who this person was until he revealed himself as the dark lord.

The Only Real Estel · 02-04-2004, 03:23 PM

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It was unknown who this person was until he revealed himself as the dark lord.

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Well, techinically the White Council suspected it was him & drove him out of Mirkwood, but he fled to Mordor & then revealed himself as the Dark Lord [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img].

Kransha · 02-04-2004, 03:41 PM

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Well, techinically the White Council suspected it was him & drove him out of Mirkwood, but he fled to Mordor & then revealed himself as the Dark Lord .

Trueeeee...
I was just being general...he he he...*nervous laugh*....ALRIGHT FINE! You're right.

lathspell · 02-05-2004, 04:53 AM

No, Gandalf went to Dol Guldur to find out the Necromancer's true identity and found the White Council's worst fear true.

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'"Whatever were you doing there?" asked Thorin with a shudder, and all the dwarves shivered.
"Never you mind. I was finding things out, as usual; and a nasty dangerous business it was. Even I, Gandalf, only just escaped. I tried to save your father, but it was too late. He was witless and wandering, and had forgotten almost everything except the map and the key."'

From: the hobbit - An Unexpected Party.

The story is, if I'm correct, also mentioned in UT, but I haven't got the time to search for that now.

greetings,
lathspell

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 02-05-2004, 08:27 AM

We had a discussion about the Necromancer in Books a while ago, and some interesting points came up. Click here to read it.

Isowen · 08-09-2004, 12:44 PM

The Necromancer was Sauron, when he was but a spirit, living (almost) in Mirkwood and then he went back to Mordor etc (you must know all this by now)

Boromir88 · 08-09-2004, 12:51 PM

Saruman for one knew the Necromancer was Sauron. He discovered his servants searching near the Gladden fields, for the "one ring." At this time the One ring had been in Bilbo's posession, but no one knew that. When Saruman discovered this he did not tell the White Council, Saruman being head of the White Council knew but he didn't warn any of the others. Of course later on Galadriel and Saruman drove out the Necromancer.

02-04-2004, 02:24 PM	#1
lady evenstar Pile O'Bones Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 16	the Necromancer i was reading the hobbit again and i dont know what the necromancer (I think thats how u spell it) is. they didnt talk about him much. can anyine tell me?

02-04-2004, 02:32 PM	#2
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Hey lady evenstar, I belatedely welcome you to the downs. The Necromancer was just a mysterious way of saying Sauron. Either at the time they didn't know it was Sauron, or they didn't want to name him at the time. I've always wondered what the actual defenition of the word is. It's greek, necro-meaning death. Necromancer is someone who uses sorcery for evil. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

02-04-2004, 02:53 PM	#3
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	A Necromanancer is someone who controls death, just like a pyromancer controls fire. In this case, as stated above, the Necromancer was Sauron before he'd become a great power again. It was unknown who this person was until he revealed himself as the dark lord. __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-05-2004, 08:27 AM	#7
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Necromancer link We had a discussion about the Necromancer in Books a while ago, and some interesting points came up. Click here to read it. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 02-16-2004 at 03:14 PM.

08-09-2004, 12:44 PM	#8
Isowen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The blackened depths Posts: 86	The Necromancer was Sauron, when he was but a spirit, living (almost) in Mirkwood and then he went back to Mordor etc (you must know all this by now) __________________ I hope Butterbur sends this promptly. A worthy man, but his memory is like a lumber -room: Thing wanted always burried, If he forgets, I shall roast him.

08-09-2004, 12:51 PM	#9
Boromir88 Laconic Loreman Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: USA Posts: 7,518	Saruman for one Saruman for one knew the Necromancer was Sauron. He discovered his servants searching near the Gladden fields, for the "one ring." At this time the One ring had been in Bilbo's posession, but no one knew that. When Saruman discovered this he did not tell the White Council, Saruman being head of the White Council knew but he didn't warn any of the others. Of course later on Galadriel and Saruman drove out the Necromancer.

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