Elvish inquiry... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Ainaserkewen · 04-14-2003, 01:54 PM

I know this is a little silly, and probably not in the riht forum, but okay...
I have this "friend" who likes LOTR like me. I like him and want to let him know subtly, cause I'm shy.
Someone tell me how to say
I love you
in elvish, I can write it myself.
Thanks!

Iargwath · 04-15-2003, 02:19 AM

I Love You: Amin mela lle

edit: removed the link since members have put forward that it is not quite reliable, and furthermore, not confuse other members...

[ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ]

Ainaserkewen · 04-15-2003, 11:13 AM

ThanksIargwath!

the guy who be short · 04-17-2003, 11:27 AM

mela is friendly love. there is no proper word for love

Ainaserkewen · 04-17-2003, 03:43 PM

Hmmm.
Thanks anyways then.

Lalaith · 04-17-2003, 04:41 PM

Not wanting to criticise the link or anything, but this is what the authors of the phrases say themselves:

Quote:

It is not cannon Elven as Tolkien wrote it, simply our own adaptation

(oh and I think they meant canon... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] )

Best of luck with your quest, Ainaserkewen!

[ April 17, 2003: Message edited by: Lalaith ]

Galenlasdur · 04-17-2003, 04:44 PM

im mel le is 'I love thou' in Sindarin. ^_^

**lindil** · 04-17-2003, 08:53 PM

Not to be a wet blanket, but, as Lailath pointed out, the site linked above is NOT Tolkien elvish or even scholarly elaborations thereof. much of it is [as the authors of it readily if perhaps not quite boldly enough state] the personal inventions of those website owners.

A complete online Sindarin dictionary can be gotten here:Sindarin desktop dictionary

it is awesome.

[ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

Galenlasdur · 04-18-2003, 10:22 AM

*cough*I didn't go to the site, I have The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth by Ruth S. Noel who is also the author of The Mythology of Middle-eath in my bookshelf. It's quite nifty.^^

the guy who be short · 04-18-2003, 10:50 AM

i am learning quenya on ardalambion.com
it makes more sense to learn it as basically all elves knew it, it was a high speech and common tongue among them. sindarin was only used by the sindar elves, but they also knew quenya.

again: anything with mel, or mela or such is friendly love

Galenlasdur · 04-18-2003, 10:52 AM

Yeah, but as you mentioned before there is no 'love' so friendly love is as close as anyone is going to get to real love, am I wrong?

**lindil** · 04-18-2003, 11:13 AM

Well, not to be a nit picker Guy, but Sindarin was the far more widespread Elvish language. It was spoken as the main language everywhere in M-E except perhaps in some isoplated Avari communities, and perhaps in Thranduil's realm where the Silvan tounge may have been pre-dominant. I forget, as JRRT went back and forth on whether Silvan had been abandoned in Lorien/Mirkwood or not.

But regardless, Quenya was only spoken by the remaining Noldor which by the time of the LotR where a small group indeed. And not only where they [and the uppercrust of the Dunedain] the only speakers, they did not use it as an everyday language, but as a sort of Elf-latin.

Be all that as it may be, your point re: which language to learn still stands, as Quenya was developed far more fully by JRRT that Sindarin. Thus it gets far more exposure and usage by latter day linguists.

Good luck with the course! I hope to embark on it one day myself.

04-14-2003, 01:54 PM	#1
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Elvish inquiry... I know this is a little silly, and probably not in the riht forum, but okay... I have this "friend" who likes LOTR like me. I like him and want to let him know subtly, cause I'm shy. Someone tell me how to say I love you in elvish, I can write it myself. Thanks! __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

04-15-2003, 02:19 AM	#2
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	I Love You: Amin mela lle edit: removed the link since members have put forward that it is not quite reliable, and furthermore, not confuse other members... [ April 19, 2003: Message edited by: Iargwath ] __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum

04-15-2003, 11:13 AM	#3
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	ThanksIargwath! __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

04-17-2003, 03:43 PM	#5
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	Hmmm. Thanks anyways then. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

04-17-2003, 04:44 PM	#7
Galenlasdur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Mirkwood Posts: 18	im mel le is 'I love thou' in Sindarin. ^_^ __________________ ~~ "I'm not a vegitarian because I love animals, I'm a vegitarian because I hate plants"-PP_Anne ~~

04-17-2003, 11:27 AM	#4
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	mela is friendly love. there is no proper word for love

04-17-2003, 08:53 PM	#8
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Not to be a wet blanket, but, as Lailath pointed out, the site linked above is NOT Tolkien elvish or even scholarly elaborations thereof. much of it is [as the authors of it readily if perhaps not quite boldly enough state] the personal inventions of those website owners. A complete online Sindarin dictionary can be gotten here:Sindarin desktop dictionary it is awesome. [ April 18, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

04-18-2003, 10:22 AM	#9
Galenlasdur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Mirkwood Posts: 18	coughI didn't go to the site, I have The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth by Ruth S. Noel who is also the author of The Mythology of Middle-eath in my bookshelf. It's quite nifty.^^ __________________ ~~ "I'm not a vegitarian because I love animals, I'm a vegitarian because I hate plants"-PP_Anne ~~

04-18-2003, 10:50 AM	#10
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	i am learning quenya on ardalambion.com it makes more sense to learn it as basically all elves knew it, it was a high speech and common tongue among them. sindarin was only used by the sindar elves, but they also knew quenya. again: anything with mel, or mela or such is friendly love

04-18-2003, 10:52 AM	#11
Galenlasdur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Mirkwood Posts: 18	Yeah, but as you mentioned before there is no 'love' so friendly love is as close as anyone is going to get to real love, am I wrong? __________________ ~~ "I'm not a vegitarian because I love animals, I'm a vegitarian because I hate plants"-PP_Anne ~~

04-18-2003, 11:13 AM	#12
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	Well, not to be a nit picker Guy, but Sindarin was the far more widespread Elvish language. It was spoken as the main language everywhere in M-E except perhaps in some isoplated Avari communities, and perhaps in Thranduil's realm where the Silvan tounge may have been pre-dominant. I forget, as JRRT went back and forth on whether Silvan had been abandoned in Lorien/Mirkwood or not. But regardless, Quenya was only spoken by the remaining Noldor which by the time of the LotR where a small group indeed. And not only where they [and the uppercrust of the Dunedain] the only speakers, they did not use it as an everyday language, but as a sort of Elf-latin. Be all that as it may be, your point re: which language to learn still stands, as Quenya was developed far more fully by JRRT that Sindarin. Thus it gets far more exposure and usage by latter day linguists. Good luck with the course! I hope to embark on it one day myself. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

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