Please Read The Silmarillion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

GollumsPrecious · 03-03-2002, 12:59 PM

I don't mean to be a clever cloggs but there are loads of questions on the forum which could be answered in 1 easy step...by reading The Sil !!

Dunno why some people seem frightened to read what to me is one of the best books I have ever read. The only people I would say shouldn't read it are those who are just not interested in the history of Elves, Arda, Ea, Men, Vala, Maia etc. For me though this is what Tolkein is all about.

Maybe the History of Middle Earth (Vols 1-12) are only for real enthusiasts like me but the Sil is absolutely essential reading for any Tolkein fan.

..rant over !!

Paul.

[ March 03, 2002: Message edited by: GollumsPrecious ]

LúthienTinúviel · 03-03-2002, 04:14 PM

*adds voice to GollumsPrecious* Yes, read the Sil! I'm in the middle of it right now. It clears up so muc, and it really isn't as terribly frightfully hard as is rumored. I'm not having trouble with it at all. It's very informative, and you can find the answers to virtually all of your questions pertaining to LotR related background in it!

Namárië,
Lúthien

Glim Iceholder · 03-03-2002, 04:43 PM

Yes I agree. The Silmarillion is a great book and I don't find it that hard of a read at all, it has a lot of places and names but thats the only thing hard about it IMO.

Aralaithiel · 03-03-2002, 06:00 PM

YES!!!!! Must read The Silmarillion!!!! I am using it quite extensively to write my fan fiction. Lots of excellent information!
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Mhoram · 03-03-2002, 06:02 PM

Hear, hear!

Lush · 03-03-2002, 08:14 PM

Ah, GollumsPrecious is posting again! Hurrah.
Annoying smart people. Always ruin it for the rest of us.
I am actually currently reading The Sil, the problem is I am attempting to read War and Peace & Kafka at the same time, which is bound to create delays and confusion. So if I ask stupid questions, don't rub your Tolkien-prowess in my face. I'm trying. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

LúthienTinúviel · 03-03-2002, 08:29 PM

Wow. That is quite a hefty reading list! Are you reading The Trial? It's definitely quality. Depressing, but very good.

Lush · 03-03-2002, 08:54 PM

The Metamorphosis, actually. I loathe Kafka. He owes a lot to Dostoevsky, but dear old Feydor I can actually enjoy. For me, Kafka reads like cough medicine tastes.
War and Peace I put on my reading list for my independent study in Russian literature. I'm going from a 1,000 page book (LotR) to a 1,300 page book. Ah me. It is actually a good thing, because my mother has been yelling at me to read Tolstoy for about three years now. By her standards, every self-respecting Russian must read War and Peace by the time they're like, five. Like I said, smart people can be quite irksome. More so when you're talking Tolkien! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Tigerlily Gamgee · 03-03-2002, 09:49 PM

Yes, I shall obey.
Actually, I am almost to page 100. I plan on finishing it as soon as possible. I hate it, though, when I have to put it down for a couple a days for work & school - & then I pick back up & forget who all the people are! But I am enjoying it & it is clearing up a lot.

Daisy Sandybanks · 03-03-2002, 10:25 PM

Well, you have all got my attention now so I guess I shall read The Sil. Actually Iv been meaning to read it for a while now, I really am into all that history on middle earth, so I think I'll buy it next weekend.

Mhoram · 03-03-2002, 11:47 PM

I read it for the first time a few years ago and didn't care for it, and as a result didn't remember much. For some reason when I read it recently it was like a totally different book, i'm in love with it and the characters. Feanor is so tragic, can't stop thinking about it.

amyrlis · 03-04-2002, 01:40 PM

I think I would not love Tolkien the way I do if I had not read The Sil. My favorite thing in LOTR is the elves, and you don't really get to know the elves until you read The Sil. There is a lot of sadness in the book, but it is beautiful sadness. The hardest part is getting through the Ainulindale. Once you do, you'll see that the characters and the depth of the story-telling are phenominal! My favorite are Maedhros, Finrod and Tuor! It is a "must-read", and read again, and again, and again...

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: amyrlis ]

Luineeldaiel · 03-04-2002, 02:00 PM

I hear and am obeying!!! Started reading last night. Your remarks are most encouraging as well. Thank you [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

onewhitetree · 03-04-2002, 02:06 PM

Ainulindalë was my favorite part! Except the part with Huan, but anyway....

The wide vision of such grandeur and beauty for which Tolkien is so reknowned is really displayed in it. What a mind...if I could make something that beautiful sometime in my life, I'll die happy!

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: onewhitetree ]

Arwen Imladris · 03-04-2002, 03:37 PM

Sorry for all of my dumb questions. The only thing that I ever heard about the Sil was from my dad and he told me that he couldn't finish it (this is the man who read the encyclopedia when he was in grade 4!) and that it was very dry. So instead I read the LOTR again, but after being encouraged by all of you to read it I am going to as soon as I can find a copy! Thank you! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-04-2002, 09:11 PM

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Sorry for all of my dumb questions.

No worries! You aren't asking dumb questions at all! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Melian · 03-09-2002, 10:02 PM

I loooooved the Sil. I´ve read it a couple of times and I´m planning on doing it again. Specially some stories, like the ones on Turin and Hurin. I´m now into the Unfinished Tales. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

03-09-2002, 11:43 PM

The Sil isn't difficult to read, it's just difficult to remember! Every character and place has about 10 different names and they're all similar - I read the book and I still have to look up names, etc., of Sil characters when I'm reading other Tolkien books (I'm tackling Unfinished Tales right now). But it did clear up a lot of questions I had after reading LoTR.
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Gabo Darvas · 03-10-2002, 02:51 AM

OK, OK, I've put The Sil out from the library. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Airetalathwen · 03-10-2002, 03:32 PM

Ah, I'm not gonna even start on the joys of reading the Sil! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
A suggestion for those of you who are reading it now:

Get a little pack of Post-it-Notes/Sticky notes, and the bookmark the following:

~The beginning map of Beleriand
~The map of the Realms of the Noldor and Sindar** (pg 143)
~The geneology charts**
~The Index of Names

** - REALLY IMPORTANT

This helped me alot when I was first reading through. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It helps to keep all the names and places straight. And it's alot more fun when you don't have to keep flipping back and trying to find all the maps and stuff.
The next time through, you hopefully won't need them! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

~Airetalathwen

Haldir · 03-16-2002, 07:17 AM

I've read the Silmarilion !
It's a good book for answering some questions
and to get more information about ME and about
ME history but it's as boring as any other
history book, it's not a real STORY, more just
an exposition for the real story
(which is The Hobbit or LOTR [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img])

Araen · 03-16-2002, 07:24 AM

I can't read it...... too hard. ::wails pittafully:: first book that I met that I couldn't get through. ::sob:: I really have treid. I've wraked up more then $10.00 in over due fines with it.

Mirkgirl · 03-16-2002, 03:01 PM

What is so hard with reading TS? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

C'mon you are just making exuces! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

The book is cool! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img]

Starbreeze · 03-16-2002, 03:41 PM

I did - when I was 6! I've kinda forgotten it all now! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

piosenniel · 03-16-2002, 03:46 PM

and if you don't want to actually read the Silmarillion, there is an unabridged set of cd's of it read by a wonderful actor!

Orodhromeus · 03-16-2002, 05:03 PM

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I've wraked up more then $10.00 in over due fines with it.

Buy it! The Silmarillion isn't made to be owned for a limited amount of time, it's a lookup reference. If you don't like the Silmarillion, then you don't like Tolkien: the Silmarillion is what Tolkien worked on for 60 years! And if you see the Sil as a history of M-E, then LotR is just a (developped) part of the Sil.

[ March 16, 2002: Message edited by: Orodhromeus ]

LúthienTinúviel · 03-17-2002, 04:23 PM

Huh, I just don't get why it's so hard. I know there are a lot of names, but if you use the list of names at the back as a reference, along with the maps and family trees, you should be fine. I loved the Sil. It ties with LotR as my favorite book of all time. I know it can get confusing, and that's why, when I get my site up, I think I'm going to have an entire section that is a guide to the Sil. Something that people can go to to help them out with stuff. Hopefully I'll find the time to get the site up and running. Any opinions on whether that sort of thing would be useful?

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 03-17-2002, 06:09 PM

I think it would be useful. Check with Mhoram. He's doing a reorganized version of the HoME. There's also a New version of the Silm. being worked on here on the Barrow-downs. I've found that working with a team helps me finish what I start (ha!).

I love Dostoyevski, though it's been some years. Right now I'm reading the Hinayana Tenets by Ponlop Rinpoche, The Presentation of the Classifications of Mind by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyatso, and The Mystical Mind which is loaned to me from my boss and I already argue with its definition of mind in the first chapter. I have as homework for a class starting this summer the Open Door to Emptiness by Thrangu Rinpoche, though I've had to order the extended version. I'm going to try to fit the Silm. in the middle of this, but it's going to be slow, one chapter at a time, due to the sheer backlog of reading material.

Anarya SilverBranch · 03-17-2002, 06:25 PM

I love how Tolkien described the valar in the sil. They seem so real!!
That book is better that lotr, unfinished tales, and all the histories of middle earth put together by far.
I recently reread the whole thing on a seven hour plane ride to pass the time [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Birdland · 03-17-2002, 08:33 PM

To all who finished the Silm. I salute you! I am not worthy.

I attempted it in the 70s after reading LOTR, and put it aside. I'm afraid that I'm like that kid in the book "The Princess Bride", I don't want to hear all the boring details, I wanna get to "the good stuff"!

Besides, the Silm deals with the elves, and I wanna hear about the Hobbits and Gandalf, whose adventures are only hinted at in the appendices.

I would like to know more about the palantiri, though, so I suppose I better suck it up and attempt it again.

Aiiiiii! The Names! The Names!

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 03-20-2002, 10:41 PM

I'm reading the Silm. for the first time since 1983. You know, it's a lot easier read as an adult. When I was a kid, I'd say that I surmounted the Silm., I managed it. I finished. And I was done with it.

I see why it was frustrating to me then, you were often given the resolution of stories before they were actually described in detail.

That's a failing of Christopher Tolkien as an editor, he was too faithful and failed to create the work that was possible, even after the death of JRR Tolkien. And a failure of the publishers, being unwilling to publish (and therefore encourage Tolkien to polish it) in the first place.

There's something almost heart-rending about the Silm., as though there was so much Tolkien left undone, so many stories still in him. We have only the barest traces of Xanadu.

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-20-2002, 10:46 PM

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I would like to know more about the palantiri, though, so I suppose I better suck it up and attempt it again.

Actually, the place to learn about the Palantíri is in Unfinished Tales. There is an entire section called "The Palantíri".

VanimaEdhel · 03-26-2002, 03:08 PM

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Sorry for all of my dumb questions.

There are no such things as stupid questions! Just because one does not know something, does not make one stupid.

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I attempted it in the 70s after reading LOTR, and put it aside

Whoah...I wasn't even born in the 70's! lol: not to make you feel old, I just did a double take...Nope: wasn't born until June 12, 1987. *sigh* But I AM reading the Silmarillion now. I love the wording that Tolkien uses in all of his texts.

03-26-2002, 04:18 PM

Well it's good to see people reading it! i will say this if there is anyone here who hasn't read lotr or hobbit then Read Sil First!, but skip the last section of it and read the other 2

03-03-2002, 12:59 PM	#1
GollumsPrecious Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: UK Posts: 21	Please Read The Silmarillion I don't mean to be a clever cloggs but there are loads of questions on the forum which could be answered in 1 easy step...by reading The Sil !! Dunno why some people seem frightened to read what to me is one of the best books I have ever read. The only people I would say shouldn't read it are those who are just not interested in the history of Elves, Arda, Ea, Men, Vala, Maia etc. For me though this is what Tolkein is all about. Maybe the History of Middle Earth (Vols 1-12) are only for real enthusiasts like me but the Sil is absolutely essential reading for any Tolkein fan. ..rant over !! Paul. [ March 03, 2002: Message edited by: GollumsPrecious ] __________________ Ugluk u bagronk sha pushdug Saruman-glob bubhosh skai'...

03-03-2002, 04:14 PM	#2
LúthienTinúviel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 76	adds voice to GollumsPrecious Yes, read the Sil! I'm in the middle of it right now. It clears up so muc, and it really isn't as terribly frightfully hard as is rumored. I'm not having trouble with it at all. It's very informative, and you can find the answers to virtually all of your questions pertaining to LotR related background in it! Namárië, Lúthien __________________ Such lissom limbs no more shall run on the green earth beneath the sun; so fair a maid no more shall be from dawn to dusk, from sun to sea. http://www.thereandbackagain.net

03-03-2002, 06:00 PM	#4
Aralaithiel Ghost Eldaran Queen Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: A remote mountain in Valinor Posts: 353	YES!!!!! Must read The Silmarillion!!!! I am using it quite extensively to write my fan fiction. Lots of excellent information! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ A lelyat, wen! (Quenya Elvish for "You go, girl!"

03-03-2002, 08:14 PM	#6
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Ah, GollumsPrecious is posting again! Hurrah. Annoying smart people. Always ruin it for the rest of us. I am actually currently reading The Sil, the problem is I am attempting to read War and Peace & Kafka at the same time, which is bound to create delays and confusion. So if I ask stupid questions, don't rub your Tolkien-prowess in my face. I'm trying. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

03-03-2002, 08:29 PM	#7
LúthienTinúviel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 76	Wow. That is quite a hefty reading list! Are you reading The Trial? It's definitely quality. Depressing, but very good. __________________ Such lissom limbs no more shall run on the green earth beneath the sun; so fair a maid no more shall be from dawn to dusk, from sun to sea. http://www.thereandbackagain.net

03-03-2002, 04:43 PM	#3
Glim Iceholder Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 24	Yes I agree. The Silmarillion is a great book and I don't find it that hard of a read at all, it has a lot of places and names but thats the only thing hard about it IMO.

03-03-2002, 06:02 PM	#5
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	Hear, hear!

03-03-2002, 08:54 PM	#8
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	The Metamorphosis, actually. I loathe Kafka. He owes a lot to Dostoevsky, but dear old Feydor I can actually enjoy. For me, Kafka reads like cough medicine tastes. War and Peace I put on my reading list for my independent study in Russian literature. I'm going from a 1,000 page book (LotR) to a 1,300 page book. Ah me. It is actually a good thing, because my mother has been yelling at me to read Tolstoy for about three years now. By her standards, every self-respecting Russian must read War and Peace by the time they're like, five. Like I said, smart people can be quite irksome. More so when you're talking Tolkien! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

03-03-2002, 09:49 PM	#9
Tigerlily Gamgee Hostess of Spirits Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Meduseld Posts: 1,055	Yes, I shall obey. Actually, I am almost to page 100. I plan on finishing it as soon as possible. I hate it, though, when I have to put it down for a couple a days for work & school - & then I pick back up & forget who all the people are! But I am enjoying it & it is clearing up a lot. __________________ ~ ExerciseJunky.com (Hobbits fitness of choice!)~ ~Lady of Rohan: An Eowyn Fansite ~ ~The NEW/OLD Barrow Downs Photo Page~

03-03-2002, 10:25 PM	#10
Daisy Sandybanks Wight Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 101	Well, you have all got my attention now so I guess I shall read The Sil. Actually Iv been meaning to read it for a while now, I really am into all that history on middle earth, so I think I'll buy it next weekend. __________________ Knowlege is power. Power corrupts. Study hard. Be evil.

03-03-2002, 11:47 PM	#11
Mhoram Dead and Loving It Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The land of fast cars and loud guitars. Posts: 361	I read it for the first time a few years ago and didn't care for it, and as a result didn't remember much. For some reason when I read it recently it was like a totally different book, i'm in love with it and the characters. Feanor is so tragic, can't stop thinking about it.

03-04-2002, 01:40 PM	#12
amyrlis Wight Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Helcaraxe Posts: 210	I think I would not love Tolkien the way I do if I had not read The Sil. My favorite thing in LOTR is the elves, and you don't really get to know the elves until you read The Sil. There is a lot of sadness in the book, but it is beautiful sadness. The hardest part is getting through the Ainulindale. Once you do, you'll see that the characters and the depth of the story-telling are phenominal! My favorite are Maedhros, Finrod and Tuor! It is a "must-read", and read again, and again, and again... [ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: amyrlis ] __________________ "Pull the blinders from my eyes, let me see these endless skies And drown here where I stand in the beauty of the land."

03-04-2002, 02:00 PM	#13
Luineeldaiel Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 15	I hear and am obeying!!! Started reading last night. Your remarks are most encouraging as well. Thank you [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Even the smallest person can change the course of the world."

03-04-2002, 02:06 PM	#14
onewhitetree Seeker of Syntax Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: The Scene of the Crime Posts: 264	Ainulindalë was my favorite part! Except the part with Huan, but anyway.... The wide vision of such grandeur and beauty for which Tolkien is so reknowned is really displayed in it. What a mind...if I could make something that beautiful sometime in my life, I'll die happy! [ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: onewhitetree ] __________________ onewhitetree (also known as Kate) Well, I'M BACK.

03-04-2002, 03:37 PM	#15
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Sorry for all of my dumb questions. The only thing that I ever heard about the Sil was from my dad and he told me that he couldn't finish it (this is the man who read the encyclopedia when he was in grade 4!) and that it was very dry. So instead I read the LOTR again, but after being encouraged by all of you to read it I am going to as soon as I can find a copy! Thank you! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

03-09-2002, 10:02 PM	#17
Melian Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 27	I loooooved the Sil. I´ve read it a couple of times and I´m planning on doing it again. Specially some stories, like the ones on Turin and Hurin. I´m now into the Unfinished Tales. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."

03-09-2002, 11:43 PM	#18
Varda-Me Guest Posts: n/a	The Sil isn't difficult to read, it's just difficult to remember! Every character and place has about 10 different names and they're all similar - I read the book and I still have to look up names, etc., of Sil characters when I'm reading other Tolkien books (I'm tackling Unfinished Tales right now). But it did clear up a lot of questions I had after reading LoTR. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

03-10-2002, 02:51 AM	#19
Gabo Darvas Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hungary Posts: 23	OK, OK, I've put The Sil out from the library. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "...szívem gazdagabb, / Mint nyelvem: abban bizonyos vagyok."

03-10-2002, 03:32 PM	#20
Airetalathwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Greenwood the Great Posts: 28	Ah, I'm not gonna even start on the joys of reading the Sil! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] A suggestion for those of you who are reading it now: Get a little pack of Post-it-Notes/Sticky notes, and the bookmark the following: ~The beginning map of Beleriand ~The map of the Realms of the Noldor and Sindar (pg 143) ~The geneology charts ~The Index of Names ** - REALLY IMPORTANT This helped me alot when I was first reading through. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] It helps to keep all the names and places straight. And it's alot more fun when you don't have to keep flipping back and trying to find all the maps and stuff. The next time through, you hopefully won't need them! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ~Airetalathwen __________________ I heard an old voice say~ "Don't go far from the land The seasons have their way~ No mortal can understand"

03-16-2002, 07:17 AM	#21
Haldir Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 40	I've read the Silmarilion ! It's a good book for answering some questions and to get more information about ME and about ME history but it's as boring as any other history book, it's not a real STORY, more just an exposition for the real story (which is The Hobbit or LOTR [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]) __________________ "In place of a Lord you shall have a Queen, not Dark but Beautiful and Terrible as the Dawn, Treacherous as the Sea, Stronger than the foundations of the Earth all shall love me and dispair"

03-16-2002, 07:24 AM	#22
Araen Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 70	I can't read it...... too hard. ::wails pittafully:: first book that I met that I couldn't get through. ::sob:: I really have treid. I've wraked up more then $10.00 in over due fines with it. __________________ "Where is the horse and the rider, where is the horn that was blowing, they have passed like rain on the mountains, like wind in the meadow, the days are damned in the west? behind the hills? there are shadows... "

03-16-2002, 03:01 PM	#23
Mirkgirl Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 84	What is so hard with reading TS? [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] C'mon you are just making exuces! [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] The book is cool! [img]smilies/cool.gif[/img] __________________ "Hobbits! Well, what next? I have heard of strange doings in this land, but I have seldom heard of a hobbit sleeping out of doors under a tree. Three of them! There's something mighty queer behind this."

03-16-2002, 03:41 PM	#24
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	I did - when I was 6! I've kinda forgotten it all now! [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

03-16-2002, 03:46 PM	#25
piosenniel Desultory Dwimmerlaik Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Pickin' flowers with Bill the Cat..... Posts: 7,779	and if you don't want to actually read the Silmarillion, there is an unabridged set of cd's of it read by a wonderful actor! __________________ Eldest, that’s what I am . . . I knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.

03-17-2002, 04:23 PM	#27
LúthienTinúviel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Doriath Posts: 76	Huh, I just don't get why it's so hard. I know there are a lot of names, but if you use the list of names at the back as a reference, along with the maps and family trees, you should be fine. I loved the Sil. It ties with LotR as my favorite book of all time. I know it can get confusing, and that's why, when I get my site up, I think I'm going to have an entire section that is a guide to the Sil. Something that people can go to to help them out with stuff. Hopefully I'll find the time to get the site up and running. Any opinions on whether that sort of thing would be useful? __________________ Such lissom limbs no more shall run on the green earth beneath the sun; so fair a maid no more shall be from dawn to dusk, from sun to sea. http://www.thereandbackagain.net

03-17-2002, 06:09 PM	#28
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	I think it would be useful. Check with Mhoram. He's doing a reorganized version of the HoME. There's also a New version of the Silm. being worked on here on the Barrow-downs. I've found that working with a team helps me finish what I start (ha!). I love Dostoyevski, though it's been some years. Right now I'm reading the Hinayana Tenets by Ponlop Rinpoche, The Presentation of the Classifications of Mind by Khenpo Tsultrim Gyatso, and The Mystical Mind which is loaned to me from my boss and I already argue with its definition of mind in the first chapter. I have as homework for a class starting this summer the Open Door to Emptiness by Thrangu Rinpoche, though I've had to order the extended version. I'm going to try to fit the Silm. in the middle of this, but it's going to be slow, one chapter at a time, due to the sheer backlog of reading material. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

03-17-2002, 06:25 PM	#29
Anarya SilverBranch Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: In maiden meditation, fancy free. Posts: 245	I love how Tolkien described the valar in the sil. They seem so real!! That book is better that lotr, unfinished tales, and all the histories of middle earth put together by far. I recently reread the whole thing on a seven hour plane ride to pass the time [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Snow white! Snow White! O' Lady Clear! O' Queen Beyond the Western Seas! O' light to us that wander here amid the world of woven trees!

03-17-2002, 08:33 PM	#30
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	To all who finished the Silm. I salute you! I am not worthy. I attempted it in the 70s after reading LOTR, and put it aside. I'm afraid that I'm like that kid in the book "The Princess Bride", I don't want to hear all the boring details, I wanna get to "the good stuff"! Besides, the Silm deals with the elves, and I wanna hear about the Hobbits and Gandalf, whose adventures are only hinted at in the appendices. I would like to know more about the palantiri, though, so I suppose I better suck it up and attempt it again. Aiiiiii! The Names! The Names!

03-20-2002, 10:41 PM	#31
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	I'm reading the Silm. for the first time since 1983. You know, it's a lot easier read as an adult. When I was a kid, I'd say that I surmounted the Silm., I managed it. I finished. And I was done with it. I see why it was frustrating to me then, you were often given the resolution of stories before they were actually described in detail. That's a failing of Christopher Tolkien as an editor, he was too faithful and failed to create the work that was possible, even after the death of JRR Tolkien. And a failure of the publishers, being unwilling to publish (and therefore encourage Tolkien to polish it) in the first place. There's something almost heart-rending about the Silm., as though there was so much Tolkien left undone, so many stories still in him. We have only the barest traces of Xanadu. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

03-26-2002, 04:18 PM	#34
Saruman38 Guest Posts: n/a	Well it's good to see people reading it! i will say this if there is anyone here who hasn't read lotr or hobbit then Read Sil First!, but skip the last section of it and read the other 2

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