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Old 03-29-2008, 01:58 PM   #1
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Where is Aeglos?

I tried to find this out but came up emtpy.
Does anyone know for sure what happened to the spear of Gil-galad, Aeglos or Aiglos, after he died in battle at the hands of Sauron at the end of the Second Age? Thanks.
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Old 03-29-2008, 02:11 PM   #2
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I believe there is not anywhere evidence to prove the fate of Aiglos for sure. The possibilities are - buried somewhere on the slopes of Mount Doom, or recovered and buried together with Gil-Galad, or even found by someone else and carried away (but I don't believe it to be like that, and I can already see the mad fanfiction ideas, but I don't think a spear so closely associated with Gil-Galad would be carried away by anyone else than the Elves themselves, and they would probably bury it with Gil-Galad - actually, what happened with Gil-Galad himself? - or they would hang it over the fireplace in Rivendell or something).
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Old 03-29-2008, 02:52 PM   #3
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The elves bury their dead but somewhere it says that their physical bodies disintegrate swiftly - however the Dead Marshes are meant to contain the corpse of the slain from the battle though after so long it must have been some phantasm.

No doubt the elves would have made special arrangements for their leader's body if possible but I don't know if they would have buried him with his weapons - it seems unelvish. I must admit - and this is an impression rather than something I believe I could provide evidence for - that the fact that the ring was "as hot as a glede" when Isildur took it, suggested to me that Aeglos (and possibly also Gil-galad was more or less incinerated in the process of killing Sauron. Of course Narsil was merely broken but swords have special qualities in Middle Earth and are not usually largely constructed of wood. Also a spear would probably have been embedded in Sauron whereas a sword can be more of a slashing weapon.

It is a theory, but I wouldn't bet the farm.
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Old 03-29-2008, 04:21 PM   #4
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I would say that it probably ended up in rivendell or the grey havens as a relic of elven history
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I must admit - and this is an impression rather than something I believe I could provide evidence for - that the fact that the ring was "as hot as a glede" when Isildur took it, suggested to me that Aeglos (and possibly also Gil-galad was more or less incinerated in the process of killing Sauron. Of course Narsil was merely broken but swords have special qualities in Middle Earth and are not usually largely constructed of wood. Also a spear would probably have been embedded in Sauron whereas a sword can be more of a slashing weapon.
Oh, I just remembered - there was other thing I wanted to say. In the narration of the Siege of Barad-Dur, we are told that:
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...for the Spear of Gil-galad and the Sword of Elendil, Aiglos and Narsil, none could withstand. I beheld the last combat on the slopes of Orodruin, where Gil-galad died, and Elendil fell, and Narsil broke beneath him; but Sauron himself was overthrown...
So, follow my thoughts: it is just an idea, but it may work. We are told about both Gil-Galad (1) and Elendil (2), and both about Aiglos (3) and Narsil (4). But in the last sentence we hear: Gil-Galad (1) died and Elendil (2) fell and Narsil broke (4) - and what about Aiglos? Nothing. That might imply, at least to me, that it had not the same fate as Narsil (i.e. did not break, was not destroyed or such), or, that it's fate is not known at all (so it is left out totally from the tale). And, actually, had Aiglos been hanging above the fireplace in Elrond's house, this would be a fantastic opportunity for Elrond to say "...and Aiglos we have here, look, this is it". So, I would actually think that if anywhere, Aiglos probably wasn't in Rivendell. Maybe in Grey Havens, or on Elostirion, if so. But well, it's just a theory, of course.
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Old 03-29-2008, 05:40 PM   #6
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The Grey Havens was Gil-Galad's home, so that would be a logical place to keep Aiglos, or so I think.
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Old 03-29-2008, 05:56 PM   #7
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The usual method of attack for a warrior with spear & shield (which are the arms we are told Gil-galad bore - no mention of a sword in the attack on Sauron btw) was to advance with the shield held forward to protect the body & the spear held over the top. I imagine G-g bearing down on Sauron & delivering the killing blow at a downward angle. Of course, he may have been part of a 'shield-wall' made up of a number of Elven warriors, which would have been the safest tactic - assuming there were enough of them around. I think that its most likely the spear head would have been destroyed, but the shaft would probably have survived. If so, I don't think it would have been left to rot - Elves were 'embalmers' & had a tendency to hoard stuff.....

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The question of the horseriding is very interesting, however, in connecting to McCaber's statement:

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The Grey Havens was Gil-Galad's home, so that would be a logical place to keep Aiglos, or so I think.
I think that if Aeglos/Aiglos survived, Cirdan would have it. After all, he is known to keep precious things (even though he did give one away *cough*Gandalf*cough*) and stay behind for people. He is probably the most trustworthy elf, so naturally it would go to him. Plus, Gl-Galad came from there anyway.
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