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02-02-2008, 06:35 AM | #1 |
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Gollum..
how can it be that gollum does'nt grow old and weak when he is without the ring as bilbo did?? I mean if bilbo starts to grow old again so soon after he left the ring to frodo, should'nt gollum be dead of old age or atleast very weak?
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02-02-2008, 07:44 AM | #2 |
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^You would think so yes. I can think of three possible explanaitions why he didn't.
*Gollum might have been very young when he originally stole the ring. Had he been say 15 to 20 years old at that time his aging process might have stopped there. When he lost his ring he once again started to age but since hobbits often live beyond the age of a 100 years he would still be fairly vital at the time of the war of the ring. Didn't something like 60 years pass from the time he lost he lost the ring until the war? *The suspended aging process caused by the ring might have affected Gollum more profoundly than it did Bilbo since he had it for much longer and (presumably) used it more frequently. The effect might have lingered on even after he lost it. *Tolkien might have overlooked this. |
02-04-2008, 01:07 AM | #3 | |
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Firstly, Bilbo didn't age dramatically between the time he left the Ring to Frodo (TA 3001) and the War of the Ring (3018). It was only after the Ring was destroyed that he has aged very fast.
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As for Gollum, let us say he was 17 in TA 2463, when he got the Ring. He was physically still 17 when he lost it in 2941. He started to age normally, so by 3018 he was 17+77= 94 - old, but still fit and quite well adapted to the life in the wilderness. However he knew that with the Ring destroyed he would "turn into dust" (becoming suddenly 573 years old and thus dead.) And skip spence is right, in addition there might have been some lingering effects of the ring, making those who had it once age at a slower rate afterwards. Last edited by Gordis; 02-04-2008 at 01:11 AM. |
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02-04-2008, 03:33 AM | #4 |
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thank you, that was some very good answers
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02-05-2008, 02:10 AM | #5 | ||||
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Bilbo acquired the Ring because of his pity for Gollum, and he also didn't have any knowledge about the power/nature of the Ring. As Gandalf explains, Bilbo blamed himself for all the wierd things happening (like the Ring slipping off Bilbo's finger at times), not on the Ring. Where Gollum, on the other hand, instantly murdered to get the Ring, and he goes on to possess it for 500 years. The Ring was "just getting a grip" on Bilbo, where Gollum had become completely enthralled to the Ring (I believe it is Gandalf who goes on about Gollum's fate being tied to the Ring).
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02-05-2008, 02:41 PM | #6 |
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What is that meant to say? I'm sorry, but I really can't understand what word fits there, maybe "obtained" but that no even near how its spelt.
Anyway, all the points I was going to make on this thread have already been said, so there is no point repeating.
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