About Tol Eressea - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

zxcvbn · 01-18-2008, 11:56 AM

Originally, the Lonely isle was used to transport the Eldar to Aman. Later, it became the dwelling place of the returning Noldor, who were not allowed to return to Aman itself, possibly because of their crimes there. I have two questions on the inhabitants of Tol Eressea:

1) Did their inhabitants also consist of the Moriquendi(Grey Elves and Silvan Elves) who travelled West, or were folk these allowed to Aman?

2) Did the Noldor have a Numenor-type ban on going to Aman, or were they atleast allowed at the various festivals and banquets held by the Valar?

zxcvbn · 01-20-2008, 02:29 AM

Why's everybody avoiding this thread like the Great Plague? I thought I'd started an interesting topic.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-20-2008, 11:59 AM

Patience, zxcvbn - your topic takes thinking, and thoughtful posts take time. It's also something that might require some rereading of pertinent passages, and maybe the experts don't have time over the weekend. In other words, you never know what reasons make a thread a slow starter.

Yours wouldn't be the first good thread topic that didn't get response quickly. For encouragement (it's happened to many of us), see the thread A Great Idea that wasn't...

Ghazi · 01-22-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

1) Did their inhabitants also consist of the Moriquendi(Grey Elves and Silvan Elves) who travelled West, or were folk these allowed to Aman?

This is an interesting topic that I have wondered about myself. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to this question. I would think that they would be allowed to move on to Aman, but I don't have any information to provide that would support my opinion.

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

2) Did the Noldor have a Numenor-type ban on going to Aman, or were they atleast allowed at the various festivals and banquets held by the Valar?

They were banned from entering Aman.

zxcvbn · 01-22-2008, 09:34 AM

Are my eyes playing tricks on me? A reply to this thread that I had taken to be dead!

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

This is an interesting topic that I have wondered about myself. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to this question. I would think that they would be allowed to move on to Aman, but I don't have any information to provide that would support my opinion.

My thoughts exactly. There seems to be absolutely nothing on this matter in the published works, which is why I started this thread. I thought some of the lore experts on these forums could clear my ignorance.

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

They were banned from entering Aman.

So they were not simply banned from residing there? Where does it say?

William Cloud Hicklin · 01-22-2008, 07:19 PM

It's worth noting that we know two Noldorin Exiles by name who lived in Valinor itself: Finrod and Glorfindel. Of course, having died and gone through Mandos they were considered 'cleansed.'

zxcvbn · 01-23-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by William Cloud Hickli

It's worth noting that we know two Noldorin Exiles by name who lived in Valinor itself: Finrod and Glorfindel. Of course, having died and gone through Mandos they were considered 'cleansed.'

If dying would earn you a free pass to Aman why didn't the remaining exiles commit suicide, then?

***Mithadan*** · 01-23-2008, 07:56 PM

Suicide is considered a severe flaw or disease of the Fea or spirit that would require a significantly longer stay in Mandos.

I recall a passage about Tol Eressea that states that from their dwellings there the Elves might even come to Valinor. I will look for it. The implication seems to be that they may visit but may not dwell there.

Ghazi · 01-22-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by zxcvbn

So they were not simply banned from residing there? Where does it say?

Somewhere in the books. Sorry, take a number Z.

01-18-2008, 11:56 AM	#1
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	About Tol Eressea Originally, the Lonely isle was used to transport the Eldar to Aman. Later, it became the dwelling place of the returning Noldor, who were not allowed to return to Aman itself, possibly because of their crimes there. I have two questions on the inhabitants of Tol Eressea: 1) Did their inhabitants also consist of the Moriquendi(Grey Elves and Silvan Elves) who travelled West, or were folk these allowed to Aman? 2) Did the Noldor have a Numenor-type ban on going to Aman, or were they atleast allowed at the various festivals and banquets held by the Valar? Last edited by zxcvbn; 01-20-2008 at 02:29 AM.

01-20-2008, 11:59 AM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Patience, zxcvbn - your topic takes thinking, and thoughtful posts take time. It's also something that might require some rereading of pertinent passages, and maybe the experts don't have time over the weekend. In other words, you never know what reasons make a thread a slow starter. Yours wouldn't be the first good thread topic that didn't get response quickly. For encouragement (it's happened to many of us), see the thread A Great Idea that wasn't... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-22-2008, 07:19 PM	#6
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,321	It's worth noting that we know two Noldorin Exiles by name who lived in Valinor itself: Finrod and Glorfindel. Of course, having died and gone through Mandos they were considered 'cleansed.' __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.

01-23-2008, 07:56 PM	#8
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,381	Suicide is considered a severe flaw or disease of the Fea or spirit that would require a significantly longer stay in Mandos. I recall a passage about Tol Eressea that states that from their dwellings there the Elves might even come to Valinor. I will look for it. The implication seems to be that they may visit but may not dwell there. __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.

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01-20-2008, 02:29 AM	#2
zxcvbn Wight Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In front of my PC Posts: 164	Why's everybody avoiding this thread like the Great Plague? I thought I'd started an interesting topic.