Is Sam Justly done

[Eönwë]

I don't think they show Sam properly in the movies. They portray him as the stupid, fat (If I recall, it was Frodo that was fat in the boook at the beginning) hobbit. In the book he is the first hobbit to kill an orc and especially in Cirith Ungul, he kills many orcd. Inthe movie they make him a slightly comical figuire, especially the fighting with pots and pans in Moria. Does anyone agree with this or is just me?

[Bêthberry]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I don't think they show Sam properly in the movies. They portray him as the stupid, fat (If I recall, it was Frodo that was fat in the boook at the beginning) hobbit. In the book he is the first hobbit to kill an orc and especially in Cirith Ungul, he kills many orcd. Inthe movie they make him a slightly comical figuire, especially the fighting with pots and pans in Moria. Does anyone agree with this or is just me?

Despite the joking between MovieLegolas and MovieGimli, I don't think that the actual number of killings of orcs reflects a significant quality of characterisation in Tolkien. There are the comments about numbers of killings in battle in CoH and elsewhere in the early writings, but those are not comical and derive from a different cultural frame of reference. In LotR, heroism is portrayed using a different scheme of values.

On the other hand, I doubt if any of us really knows if Same was justly done. That question could best be answered I suspect by Rosie Cotton.

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

On the other hand, I doubt if any of us really knows if Same was justly done. That question could best be answered I suspect by Rosie Cotton.

hahahaha

[Eönwë]

Originally Posted by Bêthberry

On the other hand, I doubt if any of us really knows if Same was justly done. That question could best be answered I suspect by Rosie Cotton.

I didn't mean that way!!!

Anyway, yes, I do think the social class has been removed, but this can also be said for everyone in the movies (Almost)

[Alonna]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I don't think they show Sam properly in the movies. They portray him as the stupid, fat (If I recall, it was Frodo that was fat in the boook at the beginning) hobbit. In the book he is the first hobbit to kill an orc and especially in Cirith Ungul, he kills many orcd. Inthe movie they make him a slightly comical figuire, especially the fighting with pots and pans in Moria. Does anyone agree with this or is just me?

Are you sure this isn't Bakshi's portrayal of Sam you're talking about and not Jackson's? While Jackson's Sam wasn't getting his application ready for MENSA, he was shown to have a sense of wisdom, unlike Bakshi's Sam who lacked anything even close to resembling a brain. While there are many things that Jackson can be critiqued about, I don't think that he can be accused of portraying Sam as incredibly stupid.

[Sir Kohran]

Originally Posted by Eönwë

I don't think they show Sam properly in the movies. They portray him as the stupid, fat (If I recall, it was Frodo that was fat in the boook at the beginning) hobbit. In the book he is the first hobbit to kill an orc and especially in Cirith Ungul, he kills many orcd. Inthe movie they make him a slightly comical figuire, especially the fighting with pots and pans in Moria. Does anyone agree with this or is just me?

Um...did you actually watch the same movie as everyone else? I'm sorry but virtually nothing in your post makes sense.



Sam was never portrayed as 'stupid'. Foolish sometimes but it's the same in the books. For the most part he was shown as dedicated and loyal to Frodo.

Sam in the books *was* somewhat fat.

In the books Sam never killed 'many orcs' at Cirith Ungol. In fact all he does is wound a single orc who then dies as he slips on the ladder.

Sam in the book was meant to be a slightly comical figure.

Sam in the book was shown to be very passionate about his pots and pans so it's not too ridiculous that he could use them in a fight.

[MatthewM]

Originally Posted by Sir Kohran

Sam in the books *was* somewhat fat.

I could of swore I read that he was too, in the books, I recall reading Gollum calling him a "fat hobbit" in the pass up Cirith Ungol. Am I imagining this? Can you cite from the book?

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

I happen to like the PJ portrayal of my dearest Samwise...but umm I also think that he is very good looking though! But thats a different story. But I do think that Sean Astin is a pretty good Samwise, but nobody is going to be a perfect Sam. And I do think that Rose Cotton would know quite a bit about him!

[Laurinquë]

Originally Posted by TheGreatElvenWarrior

I happen to like the PJ portrayal of my dearest Samwise...but umm I also think that he is very good looking though! But thats a different story. But I do think that Sean Astin is a pretty good Samwise, but nobody is going to be a perfect Sam. And I do think that Rose Cotton would know quite a bit about him!

Hm, well I rather like Sam as he is shown in the movies, I think he is really good looking too! Lovely Samwise. But I can see the point, he is not portryaed perfectly, but in comparison to other the other movie characters he is just about right.

[Gwathagor]

I thought Sam was the only character in the movie that was spot on.

[TheGreatElvenWarrior]

Originally Posted by Laurinquë

Hm, well I rather like Sam as he is shown in the movies, I think he is really good looking too! Lovely Samwise. But I can see the point, he is not portryaed perfectly, but in comparison to other the other movie characters he is just about right.

Oh you know exatly how I feel about Hansom don't you! But yes, they don't get everything exactly how they should be, but it was not too bad!