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09-17-2007, 03:31 AM | #1 |
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Osse -Psycho of the Seven Seas
While I can understand the realpolitik of Manwe's decision to let him into the fold, does no-one think the fact that storm-lovin' Osse is one of the 'good' guys undermines the goodness of the Elder King and the rest of the Valar.
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09-17-2007, 03:00 PM | #2 |
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Yes, Osse's something of an odd holdover. He was originally a Vala, and only in late writings 'demoted'- he goes back to the Lost Tales, when Valinor also included the barbaric war-god and -goddess Makar and Measse, with their blood-drenched Valhalla.
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09-17-2007, 03:39 PM | #3 |
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I have often wondered about Osse. When I first read the Sil et. al. I thought, are they sure he is a good guy? I wonder if he represents the very controlling parent/god or the vengeance god. There always seems to be a god in the mythos that is right on the edge of good/bad.
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09-18-2007, 08:06 AM | #4 | |
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It's worth considering here Ulmo's words to Tuor (Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin, UT):
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09-19-2007, 02:40 PM | #5 |
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No, not at all. I seem to remember from the Sil that Osse could be a nice guy. He was enamoured with the Teleri, and especially Cirdan's folk, wasn't he? Wasn't he also sad to see them leave for Valinor and didn't he beg them to stay in Beleriand? I guess none of that necessarily made him nice but at least one can tell he was soft on some of the elves.
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09-21-2007, 12:36 PM | #6 | |
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What? him showing he prefers some races over others makes him nicer???
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09-21-2007, 01:10 PM | #7 | |
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Don't forget the fact that Ossë was once persuaded by Melkor, and as it is said, he somewhat "remained tainted":
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