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03-06-2007, 06:57 PM | #1 |
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Sam and the Ring
When Sam first puts on the Ring as he hears the Orcs coming after leaving Frodo's presumably dead body-
Wouldn't Sauron know the Ring was being used, and so close to him? Why didn't minions upon minions come onto the area in which Sam used the Ring? I don't truly understand how it is only before Cirith Ungol he realizes he can't use the Ring because the Dark Lord would see him.
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03-06-2007, 08:40 PM | #2 |
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I believe he wasn't in Mordor yet and that he was indeed close to finding him but Sam removed it just in time. Had he crossed the border into Mordor Sam would have been lost and Sauron would have known him.
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03-07-2007, 01:57 AM | #3 | |
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Sauron apparently felt the ring, but was hindered in identifiying it due to the shadows he has put around as a defence
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03-07-2007, 02:03 AM | #4 |
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I think Sauron wasn't too bright. If he couldn't see through the clouds around Barad-Dur and Mordor, how'd he see anything?
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03-07-2007, 06:21 PM | #5 | |
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03-07-2007, 09:20 PM | #6 |
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The question is whether a line of sight is required for Sauron to see or sense the Ring. I suspect it has more to do with the particular relationship between the bearer of the Ring and the Ring itself. So, for example, Sauron knew instantly when Frodo put the Ring on in Mount Doom, but then Frodo basically challenged Sauron directly at this point. The same question comes up with Gollum, who carried the Ring for 500 years in the caverns of the Misty Mountains and was never sensed by Sauron.
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03-07-2007, 03:50 AM | #7 | |
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What Sam felt, through the Ring, was Sauron's power constantly watching over Mordor. Sauron's mind was not concentrated on Cirith Ungol in particular. The vague reports of a spy in that area would not have concerned him. What could a spy learn? That a large army had left Minas Morgal? Gondor would know that soon enough anyway. That an even bigger army was encamped around Gogoroth? That knowledge getting out could only be to Sauron's advantage. Sauron's greatest fear was that Aragorn, who had shown himself in the Orthanc Stone, had the Ring. He wasn't looking for it on his own borders. Had Sam tried to use the Ring, Sauron might have known it, but Sam didn't attempt to use the Ring's power. He didn't try to dominate the will of others, the Ring's real power. He just took advantage of accidental by-products of the ring's power: invisibility and sharpened awareness. . |
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03-07-2007, 04:18 AM | #8 | |
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