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12-30-2006, 09:30 PM | #1 |
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The three rings of power that the elve had
hi i don't know if this has been discussed but i know that sauron never knew who had the three rings the elves hid away from him nethertheless didn't saruman know so why didn't he tell sauron
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12-31-2006, 02:33 AM | #2 | |||||
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That's quite interesting thought. But could he possibly have told Sauron? I wonder if Saruman, being the part of the White Council and all, had known about the Elven Rings...
We know that the Rings were his domain, he studied all he could about them, as Gandalf himself says in the Council of Elrond: Quote:
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Continuing this speech, Galadriel also speaks about Sauron, that Quote:
But even if Saruman had known about the Rings, I am not sure if he would have revealed that knowledge to Sauron. Personally I think he would not - he didn't tell Sauron about the Shire, for example, and many other things. Saruman played with his own cards, and he wanted to claim the One Ring for his own, he had no need to tell Sauron - even if he was in situation where he needed to "buy" Sauron's trust by providing information, I'm sure he could have used some less important information to satisfy the questioner. And if he would have been explicitely asked, he could have repeated the words of Galadriel: "I have my own suspicions, but I am not sure, not yet. Perhaps later, yes m'lord, surely I'll look into this." This wouldn't be of much use to Sauron, because from what we are told in the UT (The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, "Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn"), Sauron had the same suspicions already from the Second Age: Quote:
And the last thing. Even if Sauron had learned the whereabouts of the Rings, it wouldn't be of much use to him, it would only help him in marking the most important targets of his armed assault. Only if he (or Saruman) gained the possession of the One Ring, they will be able to uncover and destroy all that has been done with the Elven Rings.
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12-31-2006, 02:46 AM | #3 |
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What Sauron could not know was wether Gil-Galad and Galadriel had passed them on. . .well, Galadriel probably wouldn't unless she had two.
I know that it says that Saruman became aware of the ring, but for some reason I have alwas thought of it as if he suspected it, but did not know it. That could also explain why the ring was not taken from Gandalf during his imprissonment. It is clear that Sauron did not know who had the rings, but meerly suspected sertain people. Now this either means that Saruman did not know either or that he found it convinient to keep Sauron in the dark about this. . . I guess one just have to decide what is most plausible. |
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Sauron knew the Three existed. When they were first worn, their bearers 'perceived' that Sauron, via the One Ring, could 'perceive' them, so they took them off again.
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12-31-2006, 09:44 AM | #5 |
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Yes but that was before his fall. . .he could not have known who had them at the time of LotR unless Saruman told him.
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