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Old 03-10-2003, 05:24 PM   #1
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Sting Sauron's essence was, also, inside the Three Elven Rings

Thats a question I need answers for...

If Sauron never touched the 3...

If Sauron never knew about the 3 till the put on his One Ring...

If the 3 could not be put to evil uses...

Then, how could Sauron control and see what the 3 Elven Lords thought and feel?

Because it is obvious that the 3 elven lords that had the rings on, Galadriel, Gil Galad and Cirdan could see Sauron from afar when Sauron put his One Ring on his finger... Thats why they knew about his plans, his intentions to dominate them, and thats why finally they took off their rings to prevent it...

And, it is obvious that Galadriel was able to see what Sauron thought and felt about the Elves... And that was through the power of Nenya... And that was supposed to be the power Sauron would have over the 3 ringbearers once he placed his ring on.

So, did some of Sauron's essence was placed on each ring, so he could enslave the bearers?
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Old 03-10-2003, 05:40 PM   #2
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I may be wrong but didn't Sauron teach the elven smiths while in disguise how to create the Three and therefore some of his will has been in-directly put into them?
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Old 03-10-2003, 05:55 PM   #3
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Wrong. The nature of the One Ring was that it would enslaveevery elven ring in ME, whether made by Sauron or not. If Sauron wore the one ring, he would control the powers of all other rings, and their bearers.
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Old 03-10-2003, 06:42 PM   #4
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That's the question Im asking. The nature of the One Ring is that it would enslave every other ring of power that was made under Sauron's power and wisdom.

But if Sauron NEVER touched the elven rings, how could he have power over Nenya, Narya or Vilya?
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Old 03-10-2003, 06:46 PM   #5
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And, it is obvious that Galadriel was able to see what Sauron thought and felt about the Elves... And that was through the power of Nenya.
No, the power of Nenya was not to see the mind of Sauron, but to ward off the decay of time and the weariness of the the world. What she did know of Sauron was the result of the mirror. Even the One ring when worn by Sauron could not see into the minds of the elves, so how could Nenya? And if Vilya was stronger how come Elrond did not know all of Sauron'e machinations? Same thing for Gandalf and Narya.

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But if Sauron NEVER touched the elven rings, how could he have power over Nenya, Narya or Vilya?
There is no perfect answer to this question in the books. But obviously 1)he was the instructor, so he knew the techniques of the students and 2)his ring was more powerful made for the express purpose of destroying and controlling the elves.

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