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Morsul the Dark · 11-30-2005, 10:07 AM

Ok here's the thing...

Hobbits where do they come from(we dont know)
They save the world and are at least in mind stronger than men

is it possible Eru was like "hey look at the world its going to end unless oh would you look at that i accidently made little people oh boy what to do what to do" *whistles and walks away*??

Farael · 11-30-2005, 11:53 AM

Oh boy, did I have to re-read your post a couple of times... now back on topic

We don't know if ALL the Hobbits are like Frodo and Bilbo (after all, they are the same family and Frodo looked up to good ol' Bilbo while growing up) and we don't know if some other creature could have gotten rid of the Ring as well. Perhaps an elf would have been able to do it, or maybe an Eagle... we know that it can't be someone too powerful or else the attraction the ring creates would be even stronger, yet you never know if someone else could have been. Also, we see when the Hobbits go back to The Shire after their adventures that it had been taken over by Saruman and his "friends", with the help of some hobbits who did not know what they were getting into, so that could be a bit of a proof that not ALL the Hobbits were like Frodo.

the guy who be short · 11-30-2005, 12:34 PM

Hobbits aren't superpeople. Frodo couldn't destroy the ring.

They also come from the Shire, and before that, the East - near Mirkwood and the north Anduin.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 11-30-2005, 04:40 PM

Eru did not create Hobbits to counter a wayward Ainu.

mormegil · 11-30-2005, 04:51 PM

I would posit that some Hobbits are stronger in mind then some men. Take for example Beren. He held a silmaril and wanted it not for himself. Wouldn't that be more of a temptation than the ring? It seems so if you look at the problems caused by a desire for the silmaril. Yet Beren, unlike Frodo, gave it up willingly.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-30-2005, 07:18 PM

Hmm, before anyone else stomps on Morsul's theory, let us consider the question that he has asked with more care.

It has been persuasively argued on this forum many times, based on Tolkien's own writings, that Eru could foresee all that would come to be.

It is also generally accepted that Hobbits have a particular resistance to corruption occasioned by a desire for power. And this is displayed in the singular resistance to the Ring exhibited by those Hobbits who came into contact with it (with the exception of Smeagol, who is an anomaly in this regard).

Moreover, Gandalf, an emissary of the Valar (and through their delegated powers of Eru) makes clear to us his view that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, that it was meant to come into Frodo's possession and that Frodo had been appointed to the task of Ringbearer.

Putting these factors all together, is it not at least possible that Morsul is on to something here? I think that it is. It seems to me to be perfectly within the bounds of credibility that Eru specifically created a race with the particular qualities that Hobbits display because he foresaw that there would be a need for exceptional members of that race to bring those qualities to bear in order to bring about the destruction of the Ring and the downfall of Sauron.

11-30-2005, 10:07 AM	#1
Morsul the Dark Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,448	Hobbits the chosen people Ok here's the thing... Hobbits where do they come from(we dont know) They save the world and are at least in mind stronger than men is it possible Eru was like "hey look at the world its going to end unless oh would you look at that i accidently made little people oh boy what to do what to do" whistles and walks away?? __________________ Morsul the Resurrected

11-30-2005, 04:40 PM	#4
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Eru did not create Hobbits to counter a wayward Ainu. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

11-30-2005, 04:51 PM	#5
mormegil Maundering Mage Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,648	I would posit that some Hobbits are stronger in mind then some men. Take for example Beren. He held a silmaril and wanted it not for himself. Wouldn't that be more of a temptation than the ring? It seems so if you look at the problems caused by a desire for the silmaril. Yet Beren, unlike Frodo, gave it up willingly. __________________ “I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo. "So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

11-30-2005, 07:18 PM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Hmm, before anyone else stomps on Morsul's theory, let us consider the question that he has asked with more care. It has been persuasively argued on this forum many times, based on Tolkien's own writings, that Eru could foresee all that would come to be. It is also generally accepted that Hobbits have a particular resistance to corruption occasioned by a desire for power. And this is displayed in the singular resistance to the Ring exhibited by those Hobbits who came into contact with it (with the exception of Smeagol, who is an anomaly in this regard). Moreover, Gandalf, an emissary of the Valar (and through their delegated powers of Eru) makes clear to us his view that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring, that it was meant to come into Frodo's possession and that Frodo had been appointed to the task of Ringbearer. Putting these factors all together, is it not at least possible that Morsul is on to something here? I think that it is. It seems to me to be perfectly within the bounds of credibility that Eru specifically created a race with the particular qualities that Hobbits display because he foresaw that there would be a need for exceptional members of that race to bring those qualities to bear in order to bring about the destruction of the Ring and the downfall of Sauron. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

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11-30-2005, 11:53 AM	#2
Farael Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In hospitals, call rooms and (rarely) my apartment. Posts: 1,538	Oh boy, did I have to re-read your post a couple of times... now back on topic We don't know if ALL the Hobbits are like Frodo and Bilbo (after all, they are the same family and Frodo looked up to good ol' Bilbo while growing up) and we don't know if some other creature could have gotten rid of the Ring as well. Perhaps an elf would have been able to do it, or maybe an Eagle... we know that it can't be someone too powerful or else the attraction the ring creates would be even stronger, yet you never know if someone else could have been. Also, we see when the Hobbits go back to The Shire after their adventures that it had been taken over by Saruman and his "friends", with the help of some hobbits who did not know what they were getting into, so that could be a bit of a proof that not ALL the Hobbits were like Frodo.

11-30-2005, 12:34 PM	#3
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	Hobbits aren't superpeople. Frodo couldn't destroy the ring. They also come from the Shire, and before that, the East - near Mirkwood and the north Anduin.