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Old 08-20-2005, 10:47 AM   #1
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By george dwarves are british, i think

Dwarven language very little is known about it for it is only used amongst theemselves dwarves don't even let out their right names.

but we have one clue moon letters, which if im not mistaken follow fashion of anglo-saxon runes in fact they are anglo-saxon rune so one could argue that dwarves speak anglo-saxon as ther secret language...right?
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:20 AM   #2
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Nope.

LotR = 3rd Age = Several thousand years ago.
Anglo-Saxon = 7th Age = Several centuries ago.

Plus all the other stuff I don't have time to type right at the moment.
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:10 PM   #3
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If any race was more Anglo-Saxon than any others it must be the Rohirrim. Tolkien showed Rohirric as Old-English, after all. An assumption based merely on runes seems to me like jumping to conclusions. We in fact do have a few words that come from Khuzdul, and they look rather alien to Old English. There's Barazinbar, Zirakzigil, Bundushathur, Buzundush, Azaghal, Azanulbizar, Mazarbul, Kibil-Nala, Sharbhund, and many other examples. We have examples of "secret" names for the petty-dwarves: Mim, Ibal.

Note: I have left out diacritic marks for the sake of convenience.
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:19 PM   #4
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so one could argue that dwarves speak anglo-saxon as ther secret language...right?
No, Anglo-Saxon is the language spoken by the Rohirrim! Or rather, just as Tolkien used modern English to "translate" Westron , he used Old English to "translate" the language of the Rohirrim. ("Westu Théoden hal!" etc)

The "outward" names of the Dwarves are of old Norse origin. I don't think their "secret language" is like any real language. It is invented by Tolkien, as are the Elven languages, but there are only a few words like "Baruk Khazad! Khazad ai menû!" What does that sound like ?
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:31 PM   #5
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Dwarves have been in Norse Mythology, so Tolkien might have just used the Norse Dwarves as an example for his book
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Risking condemning this thread to a rapid transfer to mirth you might make a case for identifying dwarves as Oxford dons of a certain era.... grumpy, insular, proud, clannish, obsessed by their work above all things, prefering to keep their womenfolk tucked away and a distressing tendancy towards facial hair in the female of the species.....
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I just found an interesting thread on this topic:

Ancient British cultures reflected in Middle-earth

especially posts # 25 (by Rumil), #26 (by the Squatter of Amon Rûdh) and #35 (by Man of the Old Hope) are very enlightening.
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Old 08-22-2005, 06:23 AM   #8
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Risking condemning this thread to a rapid transfer to mirth you might make a case for identifying dwarves as Oxford dons of a certain era.... grumpy, insular, proud, clannish, obsessed by their work above all things, prefering to keep their womenfolk tucked away and a distressing tendancy towards facial hair in the female of the species.....
My, Mithalwen, I can just imagine dwarves participating in the raucous town and gown shambles.

The bit about secret names: how different is this from the habit of creating online anonymous nicknames and keeping personal names private?
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