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Old 07-24-2004, 09:22 PM   #1
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Ring The Origin of Hobbits

In the Silmarillion, it has details on the creation of each race. It says that Aule created Dwarves, Yavanna created Ents, Melkor created Balrogs, orcs ect, and so forth. Elves and Men were the children of Iluvatar.

It also says that everything living was in the Undying Lands at one point.

So, to me, this brings the question:

Where did the Hobbits come from/Who created them?
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:10 PM   #2
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I found the thread that might help you. Look in the newcomers section or try the search function and type origin of hobbits. Hope this helps you.
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Old 07-25-2004, 11:34 AM   #3
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If you have trouble finding it, it's here! And BTW, Melkor didn't really create Balrogs. They were originally maia, but Melkor twisted them into a darker form. Orcs on the other hand, were a totally new species, so he did create those.
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Old 07-26-2004, 01:36 AM   #4
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Melkor did neither creat the Balrogs nor Orcs. In Tolkien view of the his created world the evil is inpotent, not able to creat anythink. Melkor had a great potency to twist and corrupt any given creation he could get hold on. But he had lost all his creativ power in his rebellion in the Ainulindale.

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P.S.:The origin of the Orcs was never finaly accounted by Tolkien. His Last view seemed to be a mixed origin: Some leaders were Maiar and their offspring, some were pupetlike unanimated createrues, some were animals enhanced only by malice impented by Morgoth, some were corrupted Men, and there might have been even some Orcs with corrupted Elves as ancestors.
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Old 07-26-2004, 02:20 AM   #5
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This may sound silly I do however believe there may be some potential in this theory

I Understand Besides Arwen only one elf loved a mortal man however

Dwarves and elves certainly got along once upon a time and as we see with gimli dwarves are prone to loving elf women

and seeing not set source for hobbit perhaps they were a breed born of dwarves and elves they are afterall elf like in appearance and dwarflike in hight...

I understand this is a farfetched Idea I however have always thought this to be the answer
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Old 07-26-2004, 02:39 AM   #6
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Hmmm...is it me or has this thread gone a little off topic? It started off as my question about Hobbit origins, now we're discussing Orcs. Oh, and thanks for the link to the thread, Perky Ent!

What I was meaning before was that Melkor created Balrogs - they may have been Maiar (in fact I think I read somewhere they were) at first, but Melkor turned them into Balrogs - they didn't start out like that and just switch sides...(did they?)

As for Orcs, it is my understanding that they were originally Elves, captured and tourtured beyond anything we know of. So thats my two cents for that question.


And as for Morsul the Dark, that theory, although a little far-fetched, could be quite possible. To me, its a humorus thought!!!!


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