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***Mithadan*** · 01-02-2001, 03:45 PM

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Continuing with the recent theme of debating controversial subjects, on Mount Doom, after Gollum tackles Frodo, Frodo fights Gollum off and Sam sees a figure clothed in white with a wheel of fire on its chest and "from" the wheel of fire comes a "commanding voice" which says:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." <hr></blockquote>

There are two controveries here. First, is this statement a curse which is fulfilled when Gollum again attacks Frodo in the Sammath Naur? Gollum bites the Ring (and Frodo's finger) off and falls into the Cracks of Doom.

Second, who (or what) is it that makes this statement, curse or not? Some say it is Frodo speaking and others, holding that JRRT carefully selected his words, interpret the voice coming from the wheel of fire as the Ring itself speaking.

--Mithadan--
"The Silmarils with living light
were kindled clear, and waxing bright
shone like stars that in the North
above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 1/2/01 4:46:39 pm

01-02-2001, 03:45 PM	#1
*Mithadan* Spirit of Mist Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Tol Eressea Posts: 3,391	Frodo or the Ring? <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 424</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Continuing with the recent theme of debating controversial subjects, on Mount Doom, after Gollum tackles Frodo, Frodo fights Gollum off and Sam sees a figure clothed in white with a wheel of fire on its chest and "from" the wheel of fire comes a "commanding voice" which says: <blockquote>*Quote:<hr> "Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom." <hr></blockquote> There are two controveries here. First, is this statement a curse which is fulfilled when Gollum again attacks Frodo in the Sammath Naur? Gollum bites the Ring (and Frodo's finger) off and falls into the Cracks of Doom. Second, who (or what) is it that makes this statement, curse or not? Some say it is Frodo speaking and others, holding that JRRT carefully selected his words, interpret the voice coming from the wheel of fire as the Ring itself speaking. --Mithadan-- "The Silmarils with living light were kindled clear, and waxing bright shone like stars that in the North above the reek of earth leap forth." </p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000004>Mithadan </A> at: 1/2/01 4:46:39 pm* __________________ Beleriand, Beleriand, the borders of the Elven-land.