Given that I'm now on version 4 of the timeline, I've decided "Final Timeline" is clearly incorrect. Version 4 is therefore
the Late Timeline.
It includes all of the Finwean stuff from above, and both "Awakenings of Men", shaded in blue to show that they're less solid than the rest. I've had to recalculate Idril, because apparently my numbers were all over the place when I initially posted about her. I've also gone ahead and just put the citations into the table itself, so that the explanations can be specific rather than general.
I have
not yet looked at the Grey Annals, or poked Finduilas again; and there's several citations that aren't complete, where I've been taking from quotes in this thread. I'll get on those when I have the books and the time available.
On Celeborn:
Quote:
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Originally Posted by XVIII, per Arvegil
According to Elvish calculations, the period between the arrival of the Eldar in Aman and the end of the First Age in the Overthrow of Morgoth, was 3,100 löar. If that is correct,[fn5]* then Celeborn was of unknown age when he entered Beleriand, but certainly 24 and full-grown, added in 3,100 löar nearly 21 life-years and was 45[fn6]* at the end of the First Age. He married Galadriel shortly after when she was 28 (21 [mortal equivalent]). In TA 3021, when bereft of Galadriel he was 68 + 21 = 89 (66+ [mortal equivalent]) and advanced in “maturity".
Footnote 5: It probably was not; it was very likely longer. In that case Celeborn must have been a descendant (not son) of Elmo and born in Beleriand.
Footnote 6: At least (thus = 33–34 [life-years]).
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I think "[life-years]" in fn6 is wrong; this should be [mortal equivalent] like in the Galadriel text immediately after. Mortal equivalent ages are life-year ages * 3/4, and 45 * 0.75 = 33.75, hence "33-34". So this is just a translation.
When did Celeborn enter Beleriand? Tolkien calculates from the date the Noldor reached Aman (2961), but the main host were all in Beleriand by 2808. If Celeborn only arrived in 2961, then at age 24 he would have been born
after most of the tribes were already several decades settled. 2808 is more likely.
24 growth-years is 72 sun-years, meaning Celeborn's approximate (or latest) birthdate is 2736. That date falls towards the end of a childbearing period for the Eldar - the last before they reached Beleriand, when they were settled around Isengard.
Which means Celeborn was born in Fangorn Forest.
Do we know whether the Elmo - Galadhon - Celeborn genealogy is later than the Elmo - Celeborn one discussed here? Elmo was no more than 348 in our Celeborn birth year, but Ingwe was only 109 when Indis was born, so that's easily room for Galadhon in the middle. If Elmo was born by Rhun around 2388, then Galadhon was probably born in Atyamar (Anduin vale) 2579-2590. He
could have been born after the Teleri straggled into the Isen settlement, but that pushes him quite close to the 109-year gap with Celeborn.
Plus, I quite
like the idea that the Celeborn line were born in the three stops along the March. It's elegant.
hS