[Huinesoron]

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

However, the date of the Awakening of Men is flaring up my OCD - are you sure you can't move it up to (solar year) 1800? It would also move it to the exact middle of VY 862 (SY 72).

Not that I have any rational argument or anything...

There are so many places I want to wriggle things into SY 1 or 72. In this case, technically all Tolkien wrote is that Men awoke in VY 1075 - a span of 144 SY. But he did generally mean "at the beginning of", which means that when the 85 VY Awakening:Finding span was reduced to 14 VY, the awakening of Men fell in an awkward spot.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

Also, shouldn't Fingolfin's arrival to Middle-earth be in 5476 instead of 5474? Given what you said about the 3 solar years exile of the Noldor across Helcaraxe, with Feanor taking only 1 year to arrive at Losgar?

I deliberately changed my mind on that one: given that Tolkien is talking about the Exiles aging at an accelerated rate, I think 3 SY must be longer than the actual time. I've gone for 1 SY, meaning that during the Exile the elves aged at mortal rate.

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

And shouldn't the defeat of Morgoth be 600 years after the coming of Fingolfin? Right now it's 6073 (which is 599 years after the arrival of Fingolfin in your current scheme).

6073 - 600 = 5473, but 600 - 600 = 0. Since FA 1 is numbered, er, 1, FA 600 is actually 599 years after it. (In other words: you've made the exact same fencepost/off-by-one error that Tolkien and I both did repeatedly in earlier versions.)

Originally Posted by Arvegil145

EDIT: A random question - do you think that Feanor's AAm date of birth needs revising in the context of the Shibboleth given that in the latter he is at least somewhat grown up by the time of Miriel's death?

Interesting. I've left Miriel's death entirely off the timeline, which might have been for exactly this reason. I think we almost have to retain his birthdate - it's the only date in that section of the timeline mentioned in any NoME source. But it would certainly be reasonable to tweak the date of Miriel's death based on the Shibboleth.

The other legitimate change that could be made is switching to the VII begetting date for Feanor, and placing his birth date 3 SY later; that might actually be more true to VII, which only explicitly gives a SY calculation for the begetting. That would push his birth back to 3234, though unfortunately that still isn't far enough back to bring Aredhel before the Silmarils.

... technically we could apply the same adjustment to every birthdate, moving it back by 87 SY to match the later begetting-birth gap. But it's a big assumption/invention to say that Tolkien would have a) done that, but b) not moved anything else around at the same time.

hS