[Aganzir]

Okay I'm here, not much time now but I'll do what I can.

Originally Posted by Eomer of the Rohirrim

His vote for Fea, if you look at the post again, with its almost total lack of content, looks like a rushed post. His lack of participation, as a whole, adds credence to that idea.

The few times I've played with him, he's been rather silent regardless of his role, and quietness shouldn't really speak in favour of someone's innocence, anyway.

To borrow one of Shasta's other sayings: "very fishy". Looks to me like there's something going on with those EW voters.

What do you mean? That the people who voted for him are suspicious - because they chanced to kill a wolf?

Originally Posted by A Little Green

I'm your man.

I want a doctor!

Question 1: are two votes a bandwagon?

When they come relatively early, I think you could call it the start of a bandwagon even though people don't necessarily join it later.

He didn't look seerish at all, and if the wolves wanted to frame someone with their kill they would probably have picked someone with more pronounced opinions.

I agree. I kind of wonder if it means the wolves thought they were so safe they could afford to kill someone who didn't look like the seer.

Making a random-ish Day 1 vote on a fellow who has not been suspected at all during the Day is relatively safe (or at least is if you forget to consider the size of the village).

I find it highly unlikely the wolves forget that - they're probably fully aware of how many days they have to survive in order to win, and losing even one fellow is too much. Of course I might be wrong - maybe they decided to sacrifice one of them at an early stage so the others would look better... But it makes so much less sense to me, I wouldn't be too worried about it at the moment.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

So yeah, the last several experiences with having some sort of involvement with the cobbler has just failed.

Ahh, I wasn't aware of that. Poor you - it must have felt almost as bad as being busted by a quiet gifted.

You are right, I will throw packmates under the bus, but to think I do it randomly and whenever the chance comes to "look better" is just wrong, hun.

And I (or anybody else) have no way of knowing if it was actually random or not. Just pointing out.

Which begs the question, maybe he had no packmates left to vote and he was really feeling the heat?

That's a fair point.

But no, he tried to make it look like he didn't want to vote for Fea at all, the only reason he wanted to was to save himself.

The same way I could say you looked like you didn't want to vote for him, the only reason you wanted to do so was because he had just screwed up by making a vote that forced you to choose between him and Fea (who you had already said you didn't want to vote for).

Originally Posted by wilwarin538

On the first Night I think most packs just want an easy kill without any trail, and someone who didn't vote is the perfect candidate for that.

Sounds sensible - except it doesn't solve the riddle why they didn't go after someone who looked a bit more like the seer. Or didn't they simply have any clue about the seer's identity? Grr now I'm obsessed about this...

He had posted only once when people started voted him, and it was banter.

Yeah, you could argue it was unfair - but regardless of his role, it can also be said it was unfair for the rest of us he didn't post much and let us know what he thought. If we hadn't killed him, he would probably have slipped under everybody's radar - and if he had been eg. the seer, the wolves couldn't probably have detected him. Not that it would necessarily have been a bad thing, but personally I would've felt sorry for the wolves (completely regardless of my role).
A few months ago, I would have been at wilwa's throat for looking like she tried to save a wolf and even daring to say afterwards that she felt bad he was killed the way he was, but having met her in person I can totally see her doing that also as an innocent because, well, she's just sweet like that. I'm sorry if this sounds somehow exclusive, but I can't really help it.

It's Lottie's that bugs me. She had done this whole 'check' system, and ended up voting for someone that had no 'checks' for anything, rather than one of the people she had given 'wolf checks' for.

Yeah that was a bit weird. But you have to remember it's sometimes easier to go for a submarine on day 1 (like, I voted for a quiet one rather than somebody I suspected a bit)... And she only voted after you said you'd rather not spread the votes too much.
I, too, am kind of curious about why she didn't vote for Fea though. Not that I mind because I have no major qualms about Fea's behaviour, but I'm of the opinion anybody shouldn't be ignored because she might be "just" the cobbler. It's almost as important to find the cobbler as the wolves, even though she isn't quite as strong in this game as she's been in some others, and if I had to choose between someone I was mildly suspicious of and someone I was pretty certain was the cobbler, I'd totally vote for the cobbler.

Originally Posted by Boromir88

getting rid of seer before xe can do so is always my top priority.

It's of course possible we have sneaky under-the-radar type of wolves who believe they will not be early dreams... Or wolves who want us to believe so.

Originally Posted by Nerwen

(You know, I don't know about likely, but it would certainly be bloody hilarious if the wolves were EW, Fea and Boro, and this post respresented Boro wringing his hands in despair.)

Hahaha that would be hilarious! Poor Boro!

If any wolves were around in the latter part of the Day, when The Wolf-warrior started to get into trouble, they played it very cool indeed.

Well, statistically it's likely we have at least one European wolf. I'm generally not a big fan of statistics, but I, too, noticed the lack of "should I vote for him or try to save him yes no yes no aieee" kind of wavering at deadline. Boro came closest to it, but even he wasn't very bad.

Originally Posted by skip spence

Eomer --- To me it looked like a random yet honest vote.

How can it look honest (or dishonest) when there's so little to base it on?

If she really wanted Fea to live a vote on Elf and not Pitch would make more sense to me.

But did she? If you don't have a really strong feeling about someone's role, you don't usually care that much about whether they die or not, so accusing wilwa of not saving Fea by voting the proper person seems far-fetched to me. And actually I think wilwa's reason for choosing Pitch over EW was quite decent. Yes she might be a wolf, but she could also have done it as an innocent.

I have to go now. I'll try to pop in every now and then, but I'm not sure how much time I have to post.