[satansaloser2005]

K, so I know some of these posts are rubbish and I'm sorry, but I'm quoting them anyway in the hopes that maybe I/someone else can figure out why she was killed. It's possible the bear thought she was leaving a hint or something, so it's best to have everything in one place.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Don't worry everybody, things are going to be just fine now that I'm here.

*crash*


Ooh, so we're all explaining how we know each other? My turn! And I bet I can do it in one breath (and backwards):

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*phew*

Okay, now that we've got that out of the way, where was I? Oh yes...you people are all so very strange.


BRING IT ON.

Blah, blah, blah. And it's making the headache worse.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Haven't you heard? Our dear Mod wants us to hit 7 pages by morning, or at least 5. Oh, how I love a challenge.

More blah.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Do you really need him to say something in order to find an excuse to vote him? I've been told that tp has never been lynched and if that's true, than surely it's a good enough reason alone to be voting him.

On a more serious note, I will have to vote early toDay as I plan to see a Broadway show tonight (haven't decided which) and most likely won't be back by deadline. There's a chance I'll be around early evening, but just in case, I will probably vote late morning/early afternoon (EST).

Anyway, it's super late so I must go. It's up to everyone else now to post, and perhaps we'll make it to five pages by morning, though I'm not sure since it's emptied out in here and will probably be dead for the next few hours...

I know I'm leaping here, but it's possible the bear was unnerved by her 'wanting' to lynch Phantom. Oh wait, Fea's dead already.

Really, though, I've got nothing.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I think what Hakon was saying is that if something happened like the seer revealed the werebear, then perhaps we could leave him alive to either have him kill a wolf or have the wolves waste their kill on him (as they may be worried that he will kill one of them) come Night. Then we can spend the Day hunting a wolf instead. I don't know if it's an idea I'd go for, but it's not stupid. We can't expect the bear to listen to us, even if exposed, so it'd be all about luck. If the bear killed a wolf, it be more likely he did without intentionally trying, and the wolves would probably only waste a kill on the bear if their numbers were down or they had a reason to think the bear would pick one of them as his kill.

I think you all are being rather harsh on Hakon. While he hasn't caught on as quickly as some newbies, I don't think he's intentionally trying to be confusing or irritating; he probably really just doesn't understand all the rules. And while that doesn't mean he's necessarily innocent, not understanding something is no reason to attack someone. I know for some old-timers this confusion can get irritating, but you should give everyone a chance to learn. Let's not drive our newbies away from this site, okay?

So the first Night the bear killed Hakon and then last Night they kill someone who was defending him? A pattern? A veteran player who didn't agree with Brinn's point of view on the kid? Heck, for all I know it's a newbie who didn't like that Brinn said newbies can be annoying. (Don't mean that in a bad way, but you never know.) Still, this would point to a very irrational werebear so there must be a better reason for a kill than just supporting Hakon. Did they perhaps think Brinn was Hakon's BFF? (Need to check the rules to see if that theory's even valid, so don't take my word on it of course.)

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I never thought phantom would be the most sensible one here...

I don't see what wrong with voting Fea if you don't have any other candidates available. She may or may not be evil, but the body count will rack up quickly enough as it is with two deaths per Night, so we might as well prevent any extra deaths due to modfire. Yeah, we have killed baddies on Day One in the past, but the chances we will lynch the bear toDay in order to bring the Night kills down to one are pretty slim. And anyway, I have to go now and I might not return. Considering I have no viable suspects at the moment, who else am I to vote for? I really don't feel like randomly voting another player, so I might as well vote someone who will die anyway. Either that or not vote anyone.

It seems most of you think voting Fea is bad choice. So tell me, would you rather have me make a No Vote instead? I would imagine that would be even less useful, but please enlighten me. I do apologise I can't make a reasonable vote due to my early departure, but I do have a life after all and I am horrible at finding anyone suspicious on Day One as it is, especially this early in the Day...

So....she agrees with Phantom about lynching Fea, because our odds of hitting the bear are slim and that way we don't kill a goodie. It seems odd to me that the bear would kill someone who was....not helping them, really, but ensuring that they didn't get lynched that day. This seems more and more like a random bear (as in a bear that kills for the reaction, not to win) but that seems wrong.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I thought morm voted Hakon because he made a comment about morm fearing the phantom, but I could be wrong here...

Correcting me, I believe, but nothing really of substance that could hint to the bear about anything.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

That's because she'd rather hang out with live BDers than pixelated ones. Hmph. We should lynch her for that.

Heh.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

The problem is I have no candidates who I find potential threats, and anyway, whenever I do vote for the person I suspect most on Day One, I get suspected for it (such as last game).

Maybe the bear was afraid Brinn would randomly vote for them at some point? Heck if I know. Also, given her lower post count it's possible that the bear is someone she's played with a lot and they thought her quieter nature was indicative of her being gifted. But if I was a bear I'd be looking to get rid of wolves more than gifteds (especially with the seer gone) so I don't know what the bear's thinking.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Well don't bother analysing my vote regardless of who it's for. If it's not a no vote or for Fea, then it'll be randomly for someone else. Unless I have time to return and find a real suspect.

Heh. Read my opinion of her last post.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I was just saying that because the main argument for not voting Fea seemed to be so we could eliminate the threat of two kills per Night immediately and the only way to do that is to kill the bear since it'll take multiple Days to lynch the wolves down to zero. While it's difficult to kill a baddie on Day One as it is and we'll most likely lynch an innocent, if we do kill a baddie, it's more likely we'd find a wolf and not the bear since they are larger in numbers. Of course lynching a wolf would be great, but it won't reduce the number of kills per Night.

And again....why would the bear kill her for that? Blah.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Probably because there was an entire Day last game that seemed to be mostly focused on me because apparently my vote on Day One was most suspicious...and I almost got lynched for it.

And of course I was innocent.

Again, not much to go on, so....erm, yeah.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I really must go now; I meant to leave hours ago.

But fine. Since I know you all will give me a bunch of crap if I vote Fea, I won't. So my vote will be random instead.

++morm

There. Now I don't want to hear any crap about it since it seems you all were asking I vote for someone random instead of a soon-to-be-dead player. And so I have. And at least it's better than voting Hakon who I think is an easy lynch for Day One.

I might be back and able to change my vote, but don't count on it.

You don't suppose....I mean, Morm wouldn't really be that obvious, would he?

Originally Posted by Brinniel

YOU WILL CURSE THE DAY YOU DID NOT DO, ALL THAT THE PHANTOM ASKED OF YOU.*

But seriously, people. How could you let this happen? Any innocents who voted Pitchwife, or simply contributed towards his lynching, I hope you've given yourselves a good spanking.

After the events of yesterDay and his reaction toDay, I'm almost inclined to trust the phantom. Of course, that probably means he's evil.

Won't say much more tonight, as it is very late. I might post some in the morning and will definitely be around at some point in the evening...and I think I should be here for deadline this time.


*I just saw the show on Broadway last night and when I heard this line sung, I sensed it may become relevant to this game. So of course I just had to mention it.

First of all, the bear needs to die for killing her before we could discuss the show.

On a serious note, she's (of course) saying that we're silly for lynching Pitch, and she's trusting Phantom, but this was a village wide mood, so why her?

Originally Posted by Brinniel

I'm here! But I haven't read anything yet, and seeing how many pages there are, I doubt I'll catch up. We'll see if I end up voting or not; if I do, the explanation will probably have to wait til toMorrow, should I still be alive.

Sorry for my absence; I'm moving out of my apartment soon and have been busy enjoying my final days in NYC.

So the bear is killing (no offense to either Hakon or Brinn) people who aren't being helpful? Clearly the bear is Boro and he wants deeper discussion! Really, though, I can't see how it helps the bear to kill someone who doesn't have time to participate. It's possible they knew Brinn is a threat left alive and so they killed her before she could do anything of real use to the village, but I'm not sure.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Aw look, phantom's kissing up to me. I rock.

No idea who to vote for. It seems like most of the top candidates for lynching aren't even here, which makes me nervous.

Still nothing really to go on, if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Brinniel

Must I be the tiebreaker?

After yesterDay, I'm scared I'll lynch another gifted..

And again. Would Morm be this obvious? (By this I mean the tie between him and Dun, which I think was still in tact at the time.)

Originally Posted by Brinniel

++morm

X-ed: with votes

P.S. I'll explain my vote the best I can toMorrow since time's up now.

And again. Supports the theory that it could be Morm trying to silence Brinn before she can point out his flaws. Or it could be a setup by the bear to make us think that. Either way, Morm's of interest whether he's the scapegoat or he's eating it.

I know I had something more to say but I lost it. It boils down to this. Brinn didn't say much, and her (granted mostly random) votes were both for Morm. I think Morm's not that transparent, but it could either be a setup from the bear or Morm could assume that we'd think that highly of him and use it against us. Or, sadly, it could still just be random.

(Blah, all of that to say I don't know? I feel cheated.)