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William Cloud Hicklin · 12-08-2007, 01:59 PM

Resurrected as per related thread.

Inglorion *could* mean 'son of Inglor (Felagund);' but it doesn't have to. As pointed out above, it's a regular genitive formation; or he could be a 'son' in the clan-sense, just like the Rohirrim were all considered 'Eorlingas' (which has a similar meaning, 'Sons of Eorl.'). So it could just as well mean that Gildor was simply a member or descendant of the 'Finrodrim,' the people of Nargothrond. Indeed the notion that he was Felagund's son would almost have to be definitively ruled out, because if he were, he would be High King of the Noldor, and indeed (by the latest genealogy) a superior claimant to Gil-galad!

Back when this thread was last active, Hammond & Scull's Reader's Companion was not out: in notes excerpted there, it is made clear that a) Gildor's company indeed came from Rivendell, and b) they were actually on their way back there, having made a visit to Emyn Beraid to look in the Palantir. But of course (b) could not possibly have been in Tolkien's mind when he wrote the chapter.

Unfortunately, nothing I'm aware of indicates whether Gildor was born in Aman or Middle-earth.

Glorfindel: a vassal and perhaps kinsman of Turgon and the House of Fingolfin, not Finarfin.

Weapons: Not necessary. The Ringwraiths (aside from the Captain) were not (now) warriors; and they were blinded, confused, and frightened by the aura of High Elves, which also apparently masked the 'Ring-scent.'

12-08-2007, 01:59 PM	#31
William Cloud Hicklin Loremaster of Annúminas Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,324	Resurrected as per related thread. Inglorion could mean 'son of Inglor (Felagund);' but it doesn't have to. As pointed out above, it's a regular genitive formation; or he could be a 'son' in the clan-sense, just like the Rohirrim were all considered 'Eorlingas' (which has a similar meaning, 'Sons of Eorl.'). So it could just as well mean that Gildor was simply a member or descendant of the 'Finrodrim,' the people of Nargothrond. Indeed the notion that he was Felagund's son would almost have to be definitively ruled out, because if he were, he would be High King of the Noldor, and indeed (by the latest genealogy) a superior claimant to Gil-galad! Back when this thread was last active, Hammond & Scull's Reader's Companion was not out: in notes excerpted there, it is made clear that a) Gildor's company indeed came from Rivendell, and b) they were actually on their way back there, having made a visit to Emyn Beraid to look in the Palantir. But of course (b) could not possibly have been in Tolkien's mind when he wrote the chapter. Unfortunately, nothing I'm aware of indicates whether Gildor was born in Aman or Middle-earth. Glorfindel: a vassal and perhaps kinsman of Turgon and the House of Fingolfin, not Finarfin. Weapons: Not necessary. The Ringwraiths (aside from the Captain) were not (now) warriors; and they were blinded, confused, and frightened by the aura of High Elves, which also apparently masked the 'Ring-scent.' __________________ The entire plot of The Lord of the Rings could be said to turn on what Sauron didn’t know, and when he didn’t know it.