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Old 03-24-2007, 09:15 AM   #109
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No hard thoughts davem, still perhaps such remarks should be avoided in the future for the sake of the discussion.
I personally still agree with Raynor on this one.
Yes, Gollum had good in him.
Yes, Gollum was very much tempted by the Ring, that had a great influence and power over him.
Yes, he is pitiable after spending 500 years alone in a cave.
So what?
Your last post is, sorry that I have to say this, pretty much off-topic Lalwende.
As far as I can tell, we are not discussing whether the Ring influenced or didn't influence Gollum, but whether he deserved or didn't deserve death for his actions.
Does it mean that if I drink too much or take drugs and that break the law that I am innocent and the police should sue Johnny Walker or Martini?
Of course not, that's not a reason to say Gollum is no longer responsible and culpable for his actions.
And also, we are not discussing whether Gollum is given here as an example for what you can become yourself.
Of course he can be seen as one, still this is not the topic of the discussion.
He commited crimes, and even though he has some...I don't know how they're called in English...maybe Raynor can translate this term (circumstante atenuante), he still is guilty for theose actions and should be punished for them.
Now, whether the punishment he would receive would be the capital one or not, probably would depend on who would give the sentence.
He killed Deagol, perhaps also babies of the woodmen, perhaps would have eaten Bilbo, attacked Frodo and Sam, planned to get them killed with Shelob's and perhaps some other things as well.
And for all those things he is guilty.
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