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Well there's been a lot of quoting going on. Lush and Willie you both have good arguments and good ideas. However, I tend to agree more with Willie on this. I'll quote just a little, but i'll try not to pick your post apart. Lush you said,<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> If you love the books, you ought to take the movies with a grain of salt. No one has taken your copy and torn out the pages. What non-readers of the books take away from the movie is their business; if they choose to, they can read the book and will, hopefully, enjoy it. Otherwise they have just as much right to enjoy the movie and leave it at that <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well that is partly true. Why should I care what the public thinks about the books. Well here is why in my view. I try (and i'm not always sucessfull) to think of the public as millions of people just like me in sentience (sp?), but with different upbringings, morals, backgrounds, views, likes, dislikes, and even tastes. Now that is kind of a weird subject, but it suffices to say that I try to sympathize with the non-reading majority. I realy enjoyed the LotR and especially TTT. This wonderful experience I had when I was reading it was a joy, as many here can atest to. Now by viewing PJ's TTT before the book, that experience is destroyed or at least somewhat mared, in my eyes at least. This movie does not create the literary joy of Tolkien, it prevents it or at least some of it. This is almost anti-literary joy, because it destroys something that might have been. Now, pardon me for assuming the public would have enjoyed the book at all or would be hampered by the viewing of PJ TTT. I am only extrapolating expericens from the only person I compleatly know, myself. So it might be one messed up view of the public and the Tolkien literature but, thats the risk I have to take. I want the public to know what The Two Towers really was like, and not let them assume that PJ's version is the correct one. Now many people will probably realize that they wre books first and the movie is just "derived" fromthe books, but still if that is all the public sees of Tolkien, it's a small step for them to assume that TTT is correct Tolkien. I have good friends of mine whom, it saddens me greatly to hear them ragging on about the weakness of the Rohirrim or the cool elven archers at Helms Deep. They will probably never read the book and this vision will be what they think Tolien is. True, why does what other people think Tolkien is bother me. Well it bothers me when my sister keeps putting PC's down. (she's a Mac lover through and through). It bothers me when people argue that the bible is a book of lies. It also bothers me when people think that PJ's version of the movie is the right one. Not that it was the first one (it easy to prove that the books came first, but being the right "version" has nothin to do with wich was made first), but that people say it was the right one. Now true, a lot more angry when people threaten the Bible then I am when people threaten the LotR, but it is a helpfull axample. No one has torn the pages out of my copy of TTT, instead they made the story in those pages less real for many who will read it. That is why I worry for those "some people" as you call them. They are people who might of had that wonderfull enjoyment of Tolkiens work, but now that enjoyment turns to ash. It doesn't take very much to imagine how the movie can detract from the book. <P>I could take it with a grain of salt. When you look at the big picture, his changes aren,t so bad. But when you back up to see the big picture a lot of thing aren't very important. When you back up a lot of the scene is lost. One of our finest presidents said, "Radicals chnage the world". It is true that PJ hasn't murdered anyone or done any huge crime. But if we want him to stick as close to the book as he can we have to fight for every change we begrudge him. His wandering from plotline shows more then just the normal conversion from book to screen. We know he can put up a fairly close story like he did in FotR. It shows that he thinks that these changes will make the movie sell better and thats these help make the story more "better". Better being a story that the average audience jaded by action flicks and soap operas will enjoy more. Tolkien just wanted to tell a good story. He didn't alter it to fit his aduience. <P>I asloe agree with Willie when he says that we aren't angry at PJ perasy, but at his actions. Sort of hate the sin, love the sinner. It's not really that we hate him either. I'm just very dissapointed and you now what I feel a little betrayed. Here I was waiting for this movie for a whole year (maybe a bit more, it was my favorite book). I had no reason to think it was going to be bad. The first movie was great, it stuck close and that is all I wanted, close but not constricting. And what does he give me. He gives me this. It's like getting socks on christmas or a stationary set for your birthday. (except for the fact that PJ's TTT is a lot less usefull then stationary). I was ready for a great movie, instead TTT knocked the wind out of me and punched me in the bean bag. (figuratively of course). Tricksy, false...as others have said.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Everyone is here to express their opinions, but throwing the eqiuvalent of a cyber-tantrum over such matters is somewhat laughable. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Quite true. Throwing a fit isn't a good way to debate your point. However, I really don't think that many of us have been throwing fits. Agitated posts yes, fits, well hopefully not.<P>Mintyztwin and Haweye, your quite right on those points. But don't linger on the mistakes to much. It leaves me feeling depressed. Help me find a way to assure that stuff like that doesn't happen in RotK.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The uncool stuff was the elves and faramir. While I see pete's intentions, but the whole elf just make me think "Wow, we lowly mortals couldn't handle it on our own, could we? No, we weaklings would have died, blah blah blah." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Helkasir, you hit the nail on the head. If any of the changes really bug me this is it. The Rohirrim are really good warriors, why can't PJ realize this.<P>Well that my two cents, and I wont be upset if it doesn't make any cents, it is pretty late here.